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keith_b00ne


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How many close friends, family, or yourself, NOT HERESAY, do you know, that has sustained a serious climbing injury? (Including: Staples, Stitches, Broken or fractured bone. or more serious)

Sorry, This stuff is always in the back of my mind.


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3:

A crushed ankle(mine)
A dislocated shoulder (friend)
Coma/full recovery (friend at J-tree)

ETA: this does not include numerous rolled ankles, another leg fracture, tendon tweaks/strains, bruised ribs (forgot about that pendulum fall), and other injuries. The dude in the coma broke so much that I couldn't even start to list it. So, I guess the number is actually higher than 3.


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have to laugh here, you express a concern for safety, however your profile pic at first glance makes me wonder, 3 points
1- No helmet
2- poor hand placement on rappel. 1 above and 1 below device?
3- It appers you are not using any form of a backup. I could be wrong though.

Just thought i would let you know what i see within a 1 second introduction to yourself.


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The only injury was frostbite on my friends hand. He was ok and after 2 weeks was able to function without wearing gloves on his hands (thin cotton gloves).


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have to laugh here, you express a concern for safety, however your profile pic at first glance makes me wonder, 3 points
1- No helmet
2- poor hand placement on rappel. 1 above and 1 below device?
3- It appers you are not using any form of a backup. I could be wrong though.

Just thought i would let you know what i see within a 1 second introduction to yourself.

Not wearing a helmet is not always a safety concern. Specially on rappel.

Um what's wrong with one hand below and one and above the rappel device?

You can't see the far side of the climber and he may well have a backup. So your point is irrelivant.

Think... then post.


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Think... then post.
Someone should make this a pop-up that arrives with any attempt at posting.

Injuries, let's see...

Friends:
Broken coccyx
Broken scapula
Broken vertebra
Tib-fib fracture, open and ugly
Tib-fib, closed and ugly
Exploded (yikes!) ankle
Fully tweaked tendon injuries, too many to count
Shoulder dislocation
Ice tool in thigh
Ice tool in buttcheeck
Death (major trauma, head injury)
Death (suffocation, full burial in avalanche)
Death (major trauma in avalanche)

Me:
Badly sprained ankle (2X)
Ruptured A2 pulley
Stitches, stitches, stitches
MCL strain
frostibite (minor, ears)
injured psyche, pride


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oh my jumpingcock friend, here we go..........

#1 rapping with a helmet is extremly relevant, pulling ropes and disloging rocks, you are lookind down the whole time, etc

#2 if you dont know why you have two hands down Iam not going to even bother going into it, maybe a buddy or a military friend can teach you.

#3 I SAID it appears as though........................I COULD BE WRONG
Shove your think........dont post up your ass so far, so when you cough you remember our conversation.
asswipe


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do you lower people with hand above and below the device.
didnt think so.
why would you lower yourself like that?


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Me ... broken ankle. Needed pin.


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coughed yet?


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i cheese grate myself weekly

QUESTION; WOULD YOU TRUST A HOME SECURITY TECH THATS COVERED IN SCABs AS HE COMES TO YOUR HOUSE TO INSTALL?

nothing major besides pride, ankles, skin, tendons/muscle problems for me

afew friends i've climb with have taken MAJOR whippers that turned epic..

no deaths.....climbing is attrition though


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Eights close friends and/or climbing partners of mine have died climbing. If you climb long enough you will eventually find yourself in the same boat. Thankfully, none of them died while climbing with me.

Curt


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We are all going to pass on, it is just a matter of how.


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oh my jumpingcock friend, here we go..........

#1 rapping with a helmet is extremly relevant, pulling ropes and disloging rocks, you are lookind down the whole time, etc

#2 if you dont know why you have two hands down Iam not going to even bother going into it, maybe a buddy or a military friend can teach you.

#3 I SAID it appears as though........................I COULD BE WRONG
Shove your think........dont post up your ass so far, so when you cough you remember our conversation.
asswipe

I TOTALLY agree here. Safety is such an awesome way to seem better than someone. This one time i saw a guy who was riding a bike without a helmet, so after I made fun of his dead parents i threw my Coke at him. An another time someone was running a toprope off of only 3 beaners (WTF they are going to DIE!!!) so I pushed them off the cliff. This other time i was watching a "pro" (he called himself a pro, but when he got in his car he didnt buckle his seatbet, much like i do) climbing without a helmet, so i took him to court and than kicked his baby in the teeth.


Guess what not everyone has your same opinion so holding everyone to them is similar to assuming that your asshole smells like cupcakes. no one is shoving down your throaght that your clothes dont match or you have bad spelling but hey guess what not everyone wastes time, just you and i.


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Family:
none of my family climbs

Friends:
shattered ankle
branch through upper arm
dislocated shoulder
Frostbite and Hypothermia buried in avalanche
Two dead (one from suffocation, one from trauma) on same rope in same avalanche
One dead in helicopter crash flying to guide training day

Me:
twisted ankle (five meter fall on to rock)
cheese graters (knees, elbows, hands)
frostnip (fingers)
fractured cheek (ice blows to the face)


Usually the result has been due to unforeseen circumstance, gear ripping or weather conditions..... nature throws us challenges whether we put ourselves there or not.... while climbing we put ourselves within the natural environment and must do our best to make the right decisions.... preparation, experience, equipment, insight and gut-feelings aren't the only things operating to keep us safe....


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listen chip dip,
what pisses me off about the dudes comment was "think then post" I DID THINK, THEN I POSTED. These are my observations. when I look at his profile MY experience picks up on those issues. Now iam not saying he should be in full "f" ing body armour in his pictures, but if you are going to post something regarding concern for SAFETY, I find it ironic. Thats all, and I LAUGH. Like I said in my original post.
If you have any further questions please let me know, as you sound like a real nice guy, almost as nice as me.

Just saying what i see.


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fight! fight! fight! hahaha...I love rc.com...


akclimber


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Is it just me or is every thread I read involving "lightandfast" end up with him flaming/getting flamed?

Perhaps if he posted his opinions as opinions and not "facts"?


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just speaking my mind, with thinking.
I was not aware I was getting flamed or flaming anyone,
look up the word "forum"
:idea:


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if you dont know why you have two hands down blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,
asswipe
:roll:

    [Filter=on, Ear Plugs= in, BS Shield= engaged]


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    Skinner, can I help you?


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    I doubt it since you already stated that you are not willing to explain to those of us who "Don't Know"


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    would you really like an explanation?
    I read your profile and you seem to be a fairly experienced climber. But if you need an explanation I can help you out. I would like to call you an asswipe in reply, however I dont think you are. Thanks for your opinion Iam a bit of an asswipe at times, but more importantly i will speak what i think, I believe what i say. Whats wrong with doing this?


    skinner


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    umm.. just so you know, I didn't call you an asswipe.. that was actually your words, I was merely quoting.
    I can clearly see that you speak your mind. I am just not sure how you feel you are contributing by making assumptions from a quick look at a profile photo. No helmet? maybe he is tied off to the bumper of his car that is sitting in a paved parking lot up top. And if he forgot to put his car in park, then a helmet isn't really going to help him.
    I mean really.. someone asks you a legitimate question,
    In reply to:
    Um what's wrong with one hand below and one and above the rappel device?
    And instead of providing an answer (which I too would love to hear) you tell him that if he doesn't know you're not going to even bother going into it, and call him and asswipe.
    Granted, "Think before you post" applies all around here.


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    Plain and simple :

    1 question

    what GOOD does your hand do above the belay device?

    Do you LOWER your partner like this?

    Think about what the belay device does in the rap system, it creates friction, and lots of it too. With having 2 hands below the device it follows the REDUNDACY rule to climber ( if one hand "fails" you have a back up. It alligns the rope in the correct postion, max friction.

    I would never let someone lower me like that, you have two hands, and two choices of were ypu can place them. Why place them above the device were there is zero friction, knowing if you loose your lower hand, no hail marys will make you hang on.
    Iam sure most people have rapped a rope with the need to take twists out as you rap, I sure as hell wont give my lower hand two jobs.
    So in short REDUNDANCY ....because you can.

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