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bandycoot


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Slackline Across the Astro Domes  (North_America: United_States: California: Joshua_Tree_National_Park: Wonderland_of_Rocks__South_)
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I took my In-Laws hiking around Wonderland of Rocks yesterday (Sunday) and noticed a slackline setup across the summits of the North and South Astro Domes. There was obviously no one walking it even though it was midday. I can appreciate the skill it takes to set something like that up and walk it, but does it really need to be left up? The thing was conspicuous as hell! Also, does anyone know anything about this setup? Were bolts installed for it? If so, was a permit obtained? I think that it's pretty weak to leave crap set up like that on days it won't even be used.


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I fully agree. Does there need to be a slackline between every formation in Jtree? It's not the like the moves on one line are any different than another. Have you seen the bolt anchors by the Pope's Crack/EBGB's highline? There's a lot of bolts and hardware in that rock.


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It's not the like the moves on one line are any different than another.

I think you may have some people disagreeing with you/flaming you soon....

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Have you seen the bolt anchors by the Pope's Crack/EBGB's highline? There's a lot of bolts and hardware in that rock.
No, they weren't there last time I was up there. At least those are probably legal. I can't imagine the park approved the use of bolts for the Astro Dome highline IF that is what was used to rig it.


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get a clue. people can go up on the domes and put bolts in. its called freedom. what would you do, call the cops? calm down


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It's not the like the moves on one line are any different than another.

I think you may have some people disagreeing with you/flaming you soon....

Okay. Let 'em. Do YOU disagree?

Slacklining is a lot like skating a halfpipe. You do not necessarily need a different halfpipe to do different tricks.
The only difference between highlines is scenery and length, since you can adjust tension on any line. Length may change the difficulty, but does it change the moves to walk it?


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I couldnít agree with you guys more.

I remember setting one up years ago between Dog Day and Grit Roof. A ranger sat at the road watching us, making sure that we took it down that night.

That is the rules and if it's MY slackline I always make sure it is followed.

I also think future highlines in JTree should have natural placements. Come on guys, how hard would that be in a place like that? The Chongo Gap used to be NATURAL. Why does it have bolts NOW? We didn't even use the sketchy block that most use lately.


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Have you seen the bolt anchors by the Pope's Crack/EBGB's highline?

This kind of shit needs to be STOPPED. I personally know who did this because I tried to climb Pope's Crack the day he was rigging. Since Iím not very fond of this individual, I chose another climb.

I also saw first hand what he did to a longer line on the Lost Arrow that I suggested. Now, there are bolts where a perfectly good crack is.

Who knows, maybe that person had the line up when he got thrown in jail.

Anyone know?


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Slacklining is a lot like skating a halfpipe. You do not necessarily need a different halfpipe to do different tricks.
The only difference between highlines is scenery and length, since you can adjust tension on any line. Length may change the difficulty, but does it change the moves to walk it?

I agree. But, just walking a different gap has a different feel to it, in just that.

Also, the crux of a highline are at both ends because if you blow it you swing into the rock. Different line, different crux.

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calm down

I didn't realize I wasn't calm...

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its called freedom.

As far as I know you need a permit to put bolts in the backcountry of JTNP. Also, I doubt that the park is down with leaving rigging like that up for days. It's essentially high visibility litter to many. I'm free to throw my trash on the ground as long as I don't get caught but I don't. Pack it in - pack it out should apply to everyone. I have more issues with the thing being left up than the bolts that were put in.


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It's not the like the moves on one line are any different than another.

I think you may have some people disagreeing with you/flaming you soon....

Okay. Let 'em. Do YOU disagree?

Slacklining is a lot like skating a halfpipe. You do not necessarily need a different halfpipe to do different tricks.
The only difference between highlines is scenery and length, since you can adjust tension on any line. Length may change the difficulty, but does it change the moves to walk it?

I do disagree, and you do too...if there is a change in difficulty then the line is different.

Comparing it to a halfpipe, the transition to vert in a halfpipe can have wide variety due to height of the ramp and personal preference(mellow or steep) as well as aspects of width and the type of coping on the ramp. This makes halfpipes different...

For slacklines the tension can and will vary for line to line, as well as the walk-off point, and as you mentioned the length; these variables are enough to say that lines are different.


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You're totally missing the point.

The point is some idiot(s) left a highly visable piece of equipment between two of the most prominent features in J Tree. We probably shouldn't argue that this is litter (which it is) considering we climbers are always leaving tons of stuff out there (bolts, fixed draws, chalk, slings, etc), but what certainly should be said is that it is incredibly noticeable and distracting from the beauty of the park, and it gives climbers a bad name.

The way I see it is that this jeopardizes access for the rest of us, and if I were there I'd be the first to climb up there and remove that junk.


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You're totally missing the point.

The point is some idiot(s) left a highly visable piece of equipment between two of the most prominent features in J Tree. The fact that this is litter is debatable (we climbers leave tons of stuff out there), but what's worse is that it is incredibly noticeable and distracting from the beauty of the park, and it gives climbers a bad name.

The way I see it is that this jeopardizes access for the rest of us, and if I were there I'd be the first to climb up there and remove that junk.

I understand and agree with the point if the thread, my apologies for the drift.

preserving access is paramount, sorry to add confusion to the thread.... :oops:

Find them and crucify

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Length may change the difficulty, but does it change the moves to walk it?

I agree with this.

A longer line may make it harder but it IS the same movements as long as you are just walking, not doing any tricks.


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Oh yeah... sorry for the drift as well.

My guess is that it will disappear in a few days (Iíll get a couple of bros on it).

Youíre right, it does give climbers a bad name. Letís just blame it on the slacklinersÖ haa haa haa.


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well I was there yesterday and yes I saw the line too. last Sunday my partner was out in the same area and saw the line as it was being rigged. the line has been up for a week now which is longer then I think it should be. two or three days tops is how long I feel it should have been up for.

yeah its highly visible and everyone can see but I think who ever put it up has the right too just like we have the right to climb in the park. honestly I don't think its anymore visible then the thousands of bolts that have been placed or rap slings that have been left or chalk marks on the rocks. the line isn't permanent and it will come down eventually.


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I saw it Saturday. In my opinion an unsightly POS.

"honestly I don't think its anymore visible than the thousands of bolts that have been placed or rap slings that have been left or chalk marks on the rocks."

Really? That line was plainly visible from the other side of the Wonderland Valley. Now my eyes are not perfect, but I couldn't make out any bolts, anchors or slings on the Astrodomes from there. In fact the two parties climbing were a bit hard to see, being in the shade.


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honestly I don't think its anymore visible then the thousands of bolts that have been placed or rap slings that have been left or chalk marks on the rocks.

I absolutely disagree. I could see that thing from almost a half mile away, and probably could have seen it from further from the right angle. I could also hear it flapping in the wind. Every time I've taken hikers to J-Tree (or other climbing areas for that matter) I have to point out the bolts. In this case from a very long distance away my in-laws asked "What's that?" One of the appeals of Joshua Tree are the views and the beautiful skyline and this thing was in the middle of one one of the best views out there.


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and just how did u little dorks arrive at jtree? could it have been by CAR? on ROADS? did u complain about those? next time, walk.


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[quote="atpeaceinbozeman"]I do disagree, and you do too...if there is a change in difficulty then the line is different. quote]

No argument there. The line is different, but the moves are the same.
About the skating analogy: I meant that it is the skater who dictates the tricks done, not the ramp. Whereas in climbing, it is more often the rock that dictates the moves, not the climber.

I do slackline (poorly) occasionally and I have no problem with people setting up highlines in the park. I appreciate the skill and focus necessary to walk a highline. But when I saw the setup by Pope's crack, I was left with an unfavorable impression of slackliners in JT. I'm glad people like Ammon are out there to give a favorable balance to them (and maybe keep things in check).

Sorry, had to say it :oops:

I guess all these problems can be averted if everyone just strives for minimal impact and is considerate of others.


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honestly I don't think its anymore visible then the thousands of bolts that have been placed or rap slings that have been left or chalk marks on the rocks.

I absolutely disagree. I could see that thing from almost a half mile away, and probably could have seen it from further from the right angle. I could also hear it flapping in the wind. Every time I've taken hikers to J-Tree (or other climbing areas for that matter) I have to point out the bolts. In this case from a very long distance away my in-laws asked "What's that?" One of the appeals of Joshua Tree are the views and the beautiful skyline and this thing was in the middle of one one of the best views out there.
i don't care if you can see a highline a half mile away or a bolt from 50 feet away or a boulder covered in chalk next to my campsite. i'm simply pointing out that, this is one eye sore out of thousands left by both climbers and slackliners that are all visible. some are there year around and some are there for a very sort period of time.


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As far as I know you need a permit to put bolts in the backcountry of JTNP.

It is currently *illegal* to place any bolts inside the wilderness boundary in JTNP.

And Re: Popes Crack, are there new bolts by Popes Crack strictly for the purpose of Slacking?

Murf


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A slackline across the astro dome gap IS the proudest line in the park.

Hey, I know that deliquent character who set up that highline across the astro dome gap. In fact I have witnessed many heinous acts of blatent disregard for society and have often marvelled at the gall it must take for a freak to get so worked up about a high tensile piece of nylon.

What I want to know is did that slackline go? Did he do it? Is it possible?

A gentelman's bet involving a Santana's burrito and a bottle of Alize` "Red Passion" ride on this determinaton.

Does it go?


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A slackline across the astro dome gap IS the proudest line in the park.

Hey, I know that deliquent character who set up that highline across the astro dome gap. In fact I have witnessed many heinous acts of blatent disregard for society and have often marvelled at the gall it must take for a freak to get so worked up about a high tensile piece of nylon.

What I want to know is did that slackline go? Did he do it? Is it possible?

A gentelman's bet involving a Santana's burrito and a bottle of Alize` "Red Passion" ride on this determinaton.

Does it go?


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Slacklining is a lot like skating a halfpipe. You do not necessarily need a different halfpipe to do different tricks.

Oh how naive you are my friend. ALL HALFPIPES ARE DIFFERENT!! There are minute (my-noot) difference between each and every halfpipe ever constructed. Whether it be the radius of the transition, amount of vert above said transition, method of construction (believe it or not that affects it a lot), amount of wax on the coping, or even the age of the ramp. When you skate it, you can feel it. So actually there ARE some tricks that you might be able to do better on one ramp as opposed to another. YA GOON!


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Slacklining is a lot like skating a halfpipe. You do not necessarily need a different halfpipe to do different tricks.

Oh how naive you are my friend. ALL HALFPIPES ARE DIFFERENT!! There are minute (my-noot) difference between each and every halfpipe ever constructed. Whether it be the radius of the transition, amount of vert above said transition, method of construction (believe it or not that affects it a lot), amount of wax on the coping, or even the age of the ramp. When you skate it, you can feel it. So actually there ARE some tricks that you might be able to do better on one ramp as opposed to another. YA GOON!

1. Where did I say that all halfpipes are the same?
2. As a skater of 15 years (street and ramp) I know the differences, but a
frontside kickflip on ramp A is still a frontside kickflip on ramp B, no
matter how you slice it.
3. Do you have anything to add to the actual subject? i.e. slacklines.
4. Does your local school have classes on reading comprehension?

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