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as i'm trying to learn as much as possible before i actually start leading, what exactly is z-clipping?

I assume it is different than back clipping...

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I think you are talking about reaching down far enough to grab the rope below your last draw and pulling it up and clipping it in as opposed to grabbing the rope just beyond your tie in knot.


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It's when you pull the rope from below your last clipped draw and bring it up and clip it to the next draw instead of pulling the rope from the top end of the last quick draw to clip. Hard to visualize, somebody draw a picture.

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ive been leading for some time now, and i must say why the poo would you ever clip the rope that is below your last draw, i cant think of an instance where you would want to do that. maybe its some kinda weird aid thing, cause those guys do alot of wierd stuff, can some help with this one, may be pett?


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You would not want to z-clip. That is the point. It is a mistake that some leaders make when the pro is close together. They don't pay attention to where they are grabbing the rope. It is interesting that fo_d asked me the same question just last weekend. He had never heard the term before.


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I hate to admit this, but I akmost did it once in the gym where the clips were really close together and I wanted to clip before a difficult move.

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how could you possibly do that? wouldnt you notise that when you were pulling the rope up to clip that the rope was pulling you down?


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It occurs the most on severely overhanging routes when you can't really see what you're grabbing and you have to make the clip quickly.

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No-one has yet to address two important things:

1. Why is it important not to z-clip?

2. What should you do if you do accidentally z-clip?

-Jay


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the 3 things I can see wrong with z-clipping, correct me if I'm wrong, it negates the previous clip doubling your fall factor, the increased line drag can effectively stop you, and if you fall severely the z-clipped pro will be loaded the wrong way possibly pulling them out.
The best way to fix it? Unclip it and grab the rope in the right spot. Way to avoid it, grab the rope from your harness and lead it out. Unless you've clipped onto your harness (don't ask!) you shouldn't go wrong.

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i accidentally z-clipped on my first gym lead, i realized it so i lowered off and took another shot at it (even though i was too nervous to send anyway)


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the 3 things I can see wrong with z-clipping, correct me if I'm wrong, it negates the previous clip doubling your fall factor...


I think you've got it. If you z-clip the 2nd bolt, for instance, the distance you will fall is twice the distance you are above the *first* bolt, unless you hit the ground first.

The best way to fix it? Again say you've z-clipped the 2nd bolt, just reach down and unclip the 1st bolt. That's less work than unclipping and reclipping the 2nd bolt.

-Jay


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good way to avoid it is always start your hand at the knot and slide your hand down if you are in clipping in close in succession.


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I had never heard of this till i did it last weekend... I just didn't notice that the knot was only 2 cm away from my last quickdraw...


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I had never heard of this till i did it last weekend... I just didn't notice that the knot was only 2 cm away from my last quickdraw...


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