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kinosoo
Jul 8, 2005, 6:32 PM
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well besides having a biner or a knife in the is there a difference
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bigjonnyc
Jul 8, 2005, 6:39 PM
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Some do work a little better than others for opening beers, but if you alway drink your milk, like I do, then you can just use your teeth.
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treez
Jul 8, 2005, 7:07 PM
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Are all carabiners the same? Is that a stupid question? Where am I? Which way is up?
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papounet
Jul 8, 2005, 7:52 PM
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ask the squirrels !!!
seriously,
they are only 2 variants worth of (litle) mention:
- one with a bolt "wrench"-like opening so you can tighten a loose bolt
- one with a wire clip so you do no need a extra biner to rack it and the bolt key : the model name is TRICK made by KONG.
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climbinginchico
Jul 8, 2005, 7:55 PM
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Yes, except for the ones that aren't.
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zozo
Jul 8, 2005, 7:58 PM
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On this site all the nut tools are indeed the same.
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csgambill
Jul 8, 2005, 8:01 PM
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In reply to: ask the squirrels !!! seriously, they are only 2 variants worth of (litle) mention: - one with a bolt "wrench"-like opening so you can tighten a loose bolt - one with a wire clip so you do no need a extra biner to rack it and the bolt key : the model name is TRICK made by KONG.
There's a third variation called a crowbar. I use it to hack chunks off the rock where there are no holds and I also use it to pull unsightly bolts. Oh yeah, once in a while I use it to remove a nut. It's also great for removing pesky fixed gear. Hooray booty!!!
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drector
Jul 8, 2005, 8:23 PM
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Mine has a bottle opener.
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keinangst
Jul 8, 2005, 8:31 PM
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Has anyone invented one that doesn't make you wince in pain while hammering on it with the palm of your hand when dislodging nuts?
We can't always keep hexes around for hammering work. Besides, those require both hands free.
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forkliftdaddy
Jul 8, 2005, 9:15 PM
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Notable varieties available in the US:
- BD and Trango tools have a dedicated bottle opener.
- Tool that has the hex shaped holes in the handle is a Grivel product, I think. This tool is also longer than many.
- Metolius tools, OP Caranut Tool, and one Ushba titanium tool have wiregates built in.
- Metolius Freenut and a different titanium Ushba tool have a flat or rounded piece of metal on the heel. This makes it less painful to whack the tool with a hand.
- There's a (DMM?) tool with hooks on the heel that make it a bit less painful to wield, but more problematic to rack. Hooks are also designed to help retreive cams.
- Ushba makes another nut tool that is also a Titanium piton. Very trick, but hard to find.
- Camp makes a tool with a coated grip.
- And you already mentioned the Shark.
Many of these are reviewed on this site.
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euroford
Jul 8, 2005, 9:22 PM
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i prefer the good old trusty BD.
i don't fall for the ones with built in biners. you should rack your nut tool on a nice big heavy oval (the op's are great for this, bd's are a bit lighter, which in this case is a bad thing) so you can use it to tap out nuts.
no sense in hurting your hand bashing on your nut tool, becouse tapping with a biner works 10 times better.
i've seriously considered getting one of those trango sharks with the built in belay knife. that could come in handy.
the dmm/wild country one with the hooks on it is indeed handy for retrieving walked cams. my partner has one, its use was instrumental in retrieving a poorly placed (by me) red dmm once.
the single additional feature that i've gotten the most out of has by far been the bottle opener on the BD. essential climbing trip item that usually gets forgotten. of course i'm very good at improvising, but most other solutions are not as efficiant.
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mikewong
Jul 8, 2005, 10:50 PM
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Why would you want to put a tool on your nuts?
I have my nuts safely protected in my shorts from all sorts of tools except for my God given tool.
Mike
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tattooed_climber
Jul 9, 2005, 3:11 AM
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besides the stuff mentioned above...
the shape of the 'Hook'...i have 2 nut tools and have used damn near 10 or so....BD is the best i find for 'shape'....
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vegastradguy
Jul 9, 2005, 3:34 AM
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funny, of all the stoppers i've cleaned, only two or three actually required me breaking out a carabiner to tap the tool with.
in fact, most of the time, i don't use my nut tool to remove stoppers- i've probably used the knife on my Shark more than the nut tool!
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salamanizer
Jul 9, 2005, 5:12 AM
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In reply to: Has anyone invented one that doesn't make you wince in pain while hammering on it with the palm of your hand when dislodging nuts?
Yeah, USHBA. They make a Titanium model with a butt plate so you don't destroy your palm or have to resort to banging on it with a carabiner. Best nut tool ever made.
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far_east_climber
Jul 9, 2005, 6:35 AM
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I've found the material of the nut tool to be quite important. I have a wild country one which is made of a softer metal, over time it has bent slightly and I'm sure it will break one of these days. Using a BD one, I notice the metal is much stronger. I can see the use in having a burly nut tool. I like to use mine to scrape out cracks and such. Although... I've found that a big lost arrow is superb which clean munge out of cracks.
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qwert
Jul 9, 2005, 8:47 AM
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I got the camp one. wll, what can i say? It works. It isnt some übertool or something, but its stable and the Grip is rather comfortable.
The one with the knife seems nice, but a bottle opener? :roll: :roll:
for what do you need a bottle opener?
You can open your bottle with your
pocket knife
fork
spoon
ice axe
piton
carabiner
a piece of paper
a lighter
most sticks you will find
a small rock
on nearly any edge
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qwert
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meataxe
Jul 9, 2005, 6:00 PM
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I use the BD nut tool. Not only does it have a bottle opener, but I rack it on a classic BD oval. If I twist the biner around just right, I can pound the biner with my palm--much easier than pounding directly on the tool.
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dangler1
Jul 10, 2005, 6:52 PM
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The ubertool is made by a fella here in Chattanooga. His company is called Vermin, you can get them through Rock/Creek Outfitters. 423-265-5969.
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brutusofwyde
Jul 10, 2005, 11:39 PM
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In reply to: I use the BD nut tool. Not only does it have a bottle opener, but I rack it on a classic BD oval. If I twist the biner around just right, I can pound the biner with my palm--much easier than pounding directly on the tool.
I found the BD nut tool to be overly strong and too heavy.
I sawed out all the cross-braces, and like it better that way. It's also 4 grams lighter than the standard BD tool.
I rack mine on a lightweight locking carabiner, which is one of 3 lockers I need (chalk bag locker, prussiks locker) to escape the belay and ascend to an injured partner.
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sonso45
Jul 11, 2005, 12:09 AM
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GEt a lost arrow piton, it's heavy enough for real trad use. I have used it in belays also. Gearexpress.com sells em. M
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speedywon
Jul 11, 2005, 1:20 AM
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Metolius Freenut: Lightweight, durable, biner clip, palm protector (pretty good bottle opener too).
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timstich
Jul 11, 2005, 2:11 AM
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I used the Usba tool today to hammer on a stuck nut my second (third actually) couldn't clean. I found a small rock in the crack and neatly tapped on the sides of the nut that I wanted to and it became unstuck. My DMM tool has a plastic handle, so it absorbs a little too much of the hammer blow from your palm, rock, what have you. But it still does the job well. I never use my BD tool, as it just seems to flex when you hammer it with something.
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verticalturtle
Jul 11, 2005, 2:42 AM
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Someone above may be referencing an old school tool.
Acantankerous crusty old bugger I know (many of em actually) used to carry around an old LA Chuinard piton with a notch carved out near the end (much like the fancy modern nut tools). This thing was BIG :shock: ! Way bigger than your normal everyday man's ...uh...tool. It had the heft to bust any stubborn nut out of a crack, and it didn't hurt his hand when he beat on it. If you find one and ask, they are referred to as a long dong (not kidding about this).
VT
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