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cruxnc
Oct 12, 2005, 6:38 PM
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I know there is a search function on this site. I have used it. I still need a little help. I am very excited. Today I bought my first slackline rig. I took some of your advice and bought a longer line than I need now to save money in the future. I bought 100 feet of 1 inch webbing. 5 biners and a 15 foot runner of webbing. I used cold climbs basic set up (with four biners). The line that I was trying to set up was about 50 feet long. couple feet off the ground. I pulled and pulled and pulled and... well you get the point. Then I tried to stand on it and the line would touch the ground. I know I am a fatass at around 210lbs. but how can I get my line tight enough? I even moved the line higher on the trees. Still no luck. I know that there are "goods" out there by slack bros and I may get one. but I have read that so many of you use this easy/simple set up. Am I too much of a fat ass. Am I a pussy that can pull? Note***I would like some help. I really don't need 500 flamers calling me a fatass pussy. -fap
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gymslackerclimber
Oct 12, 2005, 6:56 PM
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your going to have to forgive me, i just cant resist.. GOD, your such a fatass and quit being such a puss and take out the tampon...just get it right!! well, now with all seriousness aside,, :lol: .. i would say make your line shorter,,, its better that way,, 50ft long i put it about a little higher than 6ft high,, but i never walk a real tight line,, and im like 170.. before you walk and as ur tightening it, be sure to strech it,,, sit and bounch on the line... no need to strain your back,,, the line will tighten much easier after you strech it a buch,,,.. so pull it alittle tight,, bounce,,, go to the other side and bounce,, then pull tight,, then bounce on the tightening side again,, and pull tight, then sit and bounce again.. hope that helps a little
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slacklinejoe
Oct 12, 2005, 7:11 PM
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Expect 6 to 12 inches of drop per 10 feet of main line depending on desired tightness. Recommended lenghts for starting are 20-30 feet. 50 is probably unnecessarily hard, not just to set, but to learn on. You can set damn tight lines using other methods that probably don't cost much different than what you already spent. There are a lot of us who haven't had as good of luck with the primitive methods. Some do, some don't - the ones who do seem to be the most vocal aside from the people who sound like blatant advertisments for xyz system stating all the others suck or aren't proper edicate. Realistically with 210 lbs (I'm pushing 195 myself) you should be able to set 30 foot lines fine unless your doing something wrong - but expect help for much longer than that or to bump up the advantage in your system with either more people or higher mechanical advantage through multipliers, better rigging or better and more efficent gear.
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mr_lemons
Oct 12, 2005, 8:25 PM
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ok... set it higher, set it shorter... and if you wrap the line around your back hand and put a foot against the tree/anchor that seems to help, and more people will help... maybe a truck, but be careful yeah... good luck Matt
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pinkydancer
Nov 3, 2005, 10:58 PM
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I personally use a 6 biner setup. It gives you a 3:1 mechanical advantage, compared to the (?) 2:1 advantage with just the 4 biner setup. I'm a girl that weighs 120 and I'm able to get my line adequately tight just by myself. Perhaps getting the 6 biner setup might help? I know that I couldn't tighten a 40 foot line with the 4 biner setup, but I can do it just fine with 6.
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cruxnc
Nov 5, 2005, 10:15 PM
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Thanks for all of your advice!
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uncleslackline
Nov 10, 2005, 12:59 AM
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aside from the people who sound like blatant advertisments for xyz system stating all the others suck or aren't proper edicate. I believe that’s directed at me! For the record what i said was “That ratchets and driving your line tight are not proper slackline etiquette, and that learning the laws of mechanical advantage are a prerequisite to slacklining.” And for that statement My Post Was Hacked!?!? Ratchets are not proper etiquette for lots of reasons, first and foremost they are breakable! I have heard Seth tell the story several times how he managed to break Asuna’s ratchet set up at Red Rocks with a couple of good airs! I have also had the good fortune to be able to travel the country over the last several years, doing set up’s, and checking out other slacker’s set up’s. I have been able to watch and hang out with some of the best slackers around. And non of them are using ratchets to tighten their lines! If there is anyone who has used this forum for “Blatant Advertisement it has been you Slackline Joe! With your long boring posts, and your ratchet diatribe, to any poor beginner that asks for assistance! I must admit however that I admirer your persistence and tenacity. You have been a good little salmon swimming up stream for a couple of years now! Let’s see first you and Shawn Burnes went at it. Then Chris and Larry came along. Scott made his feeling pretty clear! I had the honest gear review on our site for a long time. You also are obviously a very intelligent guy! You have even figured out how to be much more subtle with your propaganda! But you continue to prey upon newcomers with your sales pitches! And now have the power to reset your post counter, proclaim your self a “Pro Slacker” and hack my posts, that do not fit your agenda!?! Pretty scary times at r.c.com!!! If this post is hacked off this site, you will be able to find it on slackline.com Ric Phiegh / SBI
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veganboyjosh
Nov 10, 2005, 1:20 AM
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In reply to: I personally use a 6 biner setup. It gives you a 3:1 mechanical advantage, compared to the (?) 2:1 advantage with just the 4 biner setup. I'm a girl that weighs 120 and I'm able to get my line adequately tight just by myself. Perhaps getting the 6 biner setup might help? I know that I couldn't tighten a 40 foot line with the 4 biner setup, but I can do it just fine with 6. what two biner method and 3 biner method are you using? i was under the impression that with 2 biners, one could acheive 3 to 1 m.a.* this means that with 4, it multiplies to 9 to 1, and with 6, to 27 to 1. am i wrong? i think i have the basics of pulleys and mech. adv. down, so someone correct me if i'm wrong. i use 4 biners for short lines, and 6 for longer. the tighter i want it, the more i have to adjust the 2nd and 3rd systems, to take in slack. up to this point, i've used prussiks in place of cloves for the 2nd and 3rd systems, adjusting them up the line as i yard in slack. anyway, i figured out the other day that with 4 biners(two 3:1 systems), if i set the first system up in the ellington um...layout, then run the line thru the second system, then i can pull, adjust, pull, adjust to my heart's content, without having to adjust the second system with one hand, while keeping tension on the line with the other hand. i was able to get about a 70 foot line pretty tight by myself this way. i think it was about 5 feet high on the ends, and one 1 or 2 feet int he middle wth me on it, and i'm about 195 lbs. if you want pictures, pm me, and i'll go set it up this weekend get some. * all mechanical advantage numbers are theoretical, and not taking friction into consideration.
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slacklinejoe
Nov 10, 2005, 3:26 AM
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In reply to: I believe that’s directed at me! Note quite; I wasn't be specific but merely saying that many posts can and should be taken with a grain of salt. I didn't spout off any one system over any other, just that there are more efficent ways of rigging the system and better hardware out there. I can't comment on Asana's gear - I haven't used it. I appears to be lower rated strength, but without having them post up specs I won't know for sure. I can say that our 10,000 lb test unit has been holding my 100 foot lines and airs for around 3 years with no signs of wear - so they can work just fine. I will say that if you want to take issue with the gear I make, please visit the Gear Reviews first or at least have used our gear before laying down inflamitory comments - it would be at least respectful. As far as "hacked" posts, I'm not sure, but your posts could have been moderated to be less inflamitory. I doubt they would have did that without letting you know, but I've not had mine edited before.
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uncleslackline
Nov 10, 2005, 4:31 AM
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The Original post I was refering to was "pro grip ratchet". When I went back just now my post was there, but it was missing for weeks! So you did not hack my post. I'm sorry! But I did click on your gear review, and if half of that is true then the state of slackline is farther gone than I thought! Primitive system, slackjackers, and pulley systems people, need to rise up and denounce ratchets as viable tightening systems! The other night I attended a gala on a three masted schooner of the Ecuadorean Navy at port here in LA. I took a good look around. And there were blocks and tackel of all shapes and sizes everywhere. But there were no ratchets in site! Sailing has been around for thousands of years! And they still use pulleys! I repeat ratchets are not proper slackline etiquette!
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niles
Nov 10, 2005, 6:22 AM
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In reply to: I repeat ratchets are not proper slackline etiquette! Is there somewhere where proper slackline etiquette is posted? All this time I've just been making it up as I go. I hope I haven't inadvertently pissed anyone off.
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phreakdigital
Nov 10, 2005, 7:36 AM
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In reply to: Is there somewhere where proper slackline etiquette is posted? All this time I've just been making it up as I go. I hope I haven't inadvertently pissed anyone off. i love it...lol...people can do whatever they want, but that said...its sort of a pain in the neck to cart around a ratchet...heavy and sorta sharp i.e. hard on the hands...and you really can hurt yourself with them... that said...i find success for lines up to about 50ft with just 3 biners...i use two on the tree side and one on the loop about 15% of the way to the other tree...i can tighten this by myself to my satisfaction but only really for up to about 30ft...with a buddy you can do this well. you ought to see this video...maybe you will listen to me... http://mikegdesign.com/...dventure_Videos.html anyone in the sacramento area who wants to do this let me know.
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slacklinejoe
Nov 10, 2005, 2:33 PM
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In reply to: Primitive system, slackjackers, and pulley systems people, need to rise up and denounce ratchets as viable tightening systems! Come on man, that's just silly. When the official international governing body of slacklining hands me down a decree of such, I'll consider it. Until then I'm up for each individual deciding what they want to use. If you are serious and want to talk about socialism our community forum would be a great place to start. I don't want to come off as being unreasonable, I'm of a scientific genre, so I try and not let beliefs overcome reasonable assertions. If someone can scientifically prove one method superior I'll in a repeatable measurable way, then sure I'll agree with them on that point. Thus far I haven't seen that. I'll be one of the first to say that ratchets aren't for all applications, but neither are pulleys. I can't imagine bringing a pulley or ratchet system on a 4 day back packing trip, but I don't mind carrying 35 feet of 5/8" web and using the biners I'm holding my water bottles with. I'll also be glad to conceed that I'm long winded. That said, if I was to take your words literally, I'd be offended at least some of your posts. I'll leave the below rant in place, but keep in mind I wrote it while being a bit irritated at personal attacks. I don't know if your motivated because you dislike honest free market competition, if your just irritated that you aren't able to force everyone to use your preferred systems or you want to be seen as the center of the slackline universe. While, I don't need to justify our philosophy on slacking to you, we've used your gear, we've used most every other major rigging type out there - you however haven't used ours but still like to spew volumes about how it's improper as though your the governing body of the sport. You even went so far as to write up a scathing review long before any single product we currently sell was even on the market just because you disliked the idea of a ratchet on a slackline - regardless to the fact that we can actually remove our ratchets from the line after "hard pointing" them out if someone prefers to or the fact that we even use CMI Uplift rigs which would be a direct higher grade competitor to your system. It seems the only person who really complains about ratchets is you. In a lot of other threads you trounce a lot of primitive folk too saying that their setups are junk. So what, the only proper systems are those developed by you, your family and high end rescue gear companies? We sell 20 to 40 lines direct to consumer a week mostly due to good word of mouth, if we sold bunk that didn't work we'd have went under long ago. We get loads of great reviews on how effective our gear, mostly regarding how easy to use our gear is and how it's at a great price. We do make pulley and biner style systems as well for those who don't want a ratchet. I'm sorry we somehow manage to piss you off so much, but we're just giving customers exactly what they are asking for, what are you doing? As for your comments on marine application, uhm it's around salt water, you want to eliminate as much metal as possible or have it all coated to prevent rusting which would be difficult and expensive. Not to mention the fact most sailing rigs involve large system throws, not the 5 feet we usually worry about on a typical slackline. In non-salt environments and medium to small throw needs, ratchets are used for various applications on boating. Also, to my knowledge I'm the only person out there who has developed a ratchet with a quickly resettable throw system. Besides, ratchets are designed specifically to tension and hold webbing without need of a tie off, pulleys are designed for ropes and may nor may not need a tie off. When you look at industrial applications with webbing, especially transportation, the ratchet is pretty much universal. They are almost universally used to hold down medium to large cargo loads on semi's and are DOT certified for the loads I mentioned, that's a heck of a lot more load that my fat arse on a long line can produce and quite possibly much higher than what the typical pulley system will be rated for. As for big and clunky, that can be argued by someone using biners, but someone using large sheave pulleys can't make that assertion since most ratchets are more compact when compared unless you are using very small sheave pulleys. Sharp edges are only found on small units, not the larger units like we use. With heft, it depends on the pulley system, but its pretty close either way. Different tools for different needs, I say let the customer decide what their needs are.
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uncleslackline
Nov 10, 2005, 6:19 PM
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Where are all these satisfied ratchet costumers of yours Joe? I have never heard anyone on this site, my site, or in my travels say "I got this great ratchet tightening system!" It seems to me that the only people talking about ratchets are the people selling them. Scott, Chris, Darrin, Chongo, and I all started slacklining in the summer of 1983, And how old were you in 1983 Joe? At the end of one of the recent threads on this site, Cold Climb made a referance to ratchets being the "Dark Side" of slackline. If that is true, then doesn't that make you the equlivent to Darthvador???
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slacklinejoe
Nov 10, 2005, 6:25 PM
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In reply to: Where are all these satisfied ratchet costumers of yours Joe? At the end of one of the recent threads on this site, Cold Climb made a referance to ratchets being the "Dark Side" of slackline. If that is true, then doesn't that make you the equlivent to Darthvador??? They are certainly around, most don't need to post up since they don't need help rigging. I'll leave it open for them to post up, but if you pay attention it's incredibly seldom that you hear of a SBI user post up either. The last inquiry about that setup only yielded one or two folk who had one and a few others who had seen one used. Most folks around here still are content with the primitive method, which is fine for them. Coldclimb has a sense of humor and a sense for sarcasm, which I appreciate.
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coldclimb
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If you'll recall, the dark side was indeed pretty powerful. They had a few things going for them. I like the light side a bit better though, for some reason using pulleys gives me a better sense of accomplishment and leaves me feeling better. I won't say you shouldn't use ratchets, cause they certainly work, but I like my slackjack more. ;) Just seems more real or something.
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45h
Nov 10, 2005, 10:50 PM
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I bought a ratchet system from SlacklineJoe. I was one of the first to buy one several years ago and mine still works great. Joe even hooked me up with new add-ons as he came up with them. Much appreciated! I don't have a lot of time so I definitely like being able to quickly set up a line so I can get the most out of my time. I don't have any spare gear; pulleys, biners, webbing, etc., because I have never climbed (although I would like to change that when time permits). For me, the ratchet system works just fine, however, some day that may change and I will upgrade accordingly. As I like to say "to each their own". My 2 cents.
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pikskrit
Dec 29, 2005, 3:43 AM
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I have found that I can get my slackline a little tighter if I set it up while its wet, pull it tight, and then let it dry. This of course would be for a slackline that would be set up for a while, as it may take some time to dry. I am not sure how this affects the integrity of the webbing, but I have never had any trouble with it. Hope this helps.
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