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It was either that or dingledorfs...

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The word comes from the German expression "Karabinerhaken".
Yet German climbers would always call it shortly "Karabiner".
German-English translations for "Karabinerhaken
spring catch
spring hook
spring clip
snap hook


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Bent gate dingledorfs! :?


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The word comes from the German expression "Karabinerhaken".
Yet German climbers would always call it shortly "Karabiner".
German-English translations for "Karabinerhaken
spring catch
spring hook
spring clip
snap hook

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i am continually impressed with the wealth of knowledge out there! some of the discussions go WAY behond my understanding. i feel like i could ask almost anything and get the answer. cool!


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woof woof. woof?


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Cause 'clippy things' sounds dumb.

-Jay


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Cause 'clippy things' sounds dumb.

-Jay

I like "carabiner" or "'biner" though it sounds like an anachronistic ethnic slur which is unfortunately still common enough around here . . . I think Chong had a song about it.

Have heard 'em called "snap-links" by an old-timer, pretty much a translation from the Deutsch I guess.

So, fowler, I guess karabiner, then, is spring, and haken is hook?

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AHA!

Says here in CASSELL's German-English that Karabiner is a (rifle) carbine -

I wondered if it was some link to WWI mountaineering history?

Vielleicht . . .


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German-English translations for Karabinerhaken
spring catch
spring hook
spring clip
snap hook

I think the original usage referred primarily to harness snaps. We should be glad the French term, mousqueton, didn't catch on in English, otherwise we'd be clipping "mousies" or or "mooski's" or "moo's" or who knows what...


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Says here in CASSELL's German-English that Karabiner is a (rifle) carbine -

I wondered if it was some link to WWI mountaineering history?

Vielleicht . . .

I also understood it this way, but with a slight twist: the Italian police are called "carabinieri," for their carbine rifles (?) with the slings that attach with snaplinks (karabiners).

I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong...


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Cause 'clippy things' sounds dumb.

-Jay

I like "carabiner" or "'biner" though it sounds like an anachronistic ethnic slur which is unfortunately still common enough around here . . . I think Chong had a song about it.

Have heard 'em called "snap-links" by an old-timer, pretty much a translation from the Deutsch I guess.

So, fowler, I guess karabiner, then, is spring, and haken is hook?

Let me look actually:


AHA!

Says here in CASSELL's German-English that Karabiner is a (rifle) carbine -

I wondered if it was some link to WWI mountaineering history?

Vielleicht . . .



You are correct in saying that "Karabiner" also means "carbine" (a short rifle). It is a homonym.


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You are correct in saying that "Karabiner" also means "carbine" (a short rifle). It is a homonym.

So Karabiner has something to do, also, with a snap or latch?

Haken surely is "hook" but if the Carabinieri have a 'biner on their gunstraps, we have at least anecdotal evidence of it being a rifle-hook;

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We should be glad the French term, mousqueton, didn't catch on in English, otherwise we'd be clipping "mousies" or or "mooski's" or "moo's" or who knows what...

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We just call 'em snappers here in the South.


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We just call 'em snappers here in the South.

No we don't.

This is a snapper:

http://reptile.new21.org/...-snapping-turtle.jpg


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I went swimming down Turtle Creek
Man them snappers all around my feet
Sure was hard gettin cross that thing
With both hands holdin my dingalingaling!

The Great Chuck Berry, you see.

DMT


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The etymology of “carabiner” is somewhat complex. It probably came into English from the Franco-German word “karabinerhaken”, meaning literally “karabiner hook”. These devices were used by militia (who used carbines rather than regular rifles) to hook their carbines to their bandoleers. Here “karabin” was the modification of the French “carabine”.

The words carbine and carabineer have their own interesting derivations. They were derived from “escarrabin” referring to one who prepared corpses for burial during the plague years in Europe. This was derived from scarabée the French word for scarab which, in turn, came from the Latin scarabaeus (cf. Greek karabos) meaning a horned beetle. .

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From the Greek words "karab" meaning crab - snaps like a crab claw. And "Bener" meaning shaped like a bean.

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i am continually impressed with the wealth of knowledge out there! some of the discussions go WAY behond my understanding. i feel like i could ask almost anything and get the answer. cool!

And sometimes you even get the correct answer.

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I thought it was german for "micro fracture".


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From the Greek words "karab" meaning crab - snaps like a crab claw. And "Bener" meaning shaped like a bean.

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i am continually impressed with the wealth of knowledge out there! some of the discussions go WAY behond my understanding. i feel like i could ask almost anything and get the answer. cool!

And sometimes you even get the correct answer.

Jeff

While it is correct to say that karabos means crab in Greek (as well as horned beetle), bener does not mean bean (as does ospria amongst other words). Hence, I’m skeptical that your suggestion is the correct derivation of carabiner.

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I thought it was german for "micro fracture".

if i could rate posts today, you'd have a trophy for sure! :lol:


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I thought it was german for "micro fracture".

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Why are they called "carabiners" ?
Reminds me of a one-liner from a friend who used to do comedy improv:

Why do they call it a joke? Well, duh -- because it's funny!
:)
JL


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It was either that or dingledorfs...

DMT

i thought it was dinglehopper :lol:


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