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wholehog


Nov 21, 2005, 10:12 PM
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National Forest+State Park  (North_America: United_States: Arkansas: Ouachitas: Mount_Magazine_State_Park)
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Although the top of Mag is long-term leased to the Arkansas State Parks, the BASE of the climbing area is still National Forest land. Public land is public land.


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Nov 21, 2005, 10:30 PM
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Did I miss something? :tinfoilhat:


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This info might give folks a few more camping options.


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My wife frequently starts conversations in the middle, also.

Just got off the phone with the Planning and Development chief at Arkansas State Parks. Magazine is actually under a Special Use Permit, not a long-term lease (a minor detail). When you start climbing at the base of the cliff, you're still on State Park land. They did that by design. Further down the mountain, yes, it's USFS land. Now, to find out whether you can camp on that USFS land, check with Rob Kopack, the USFS ranger in Paris. There is developed camping at Cove Lake, on your way up the mountain, but I'm just not sure about off-trail. If it's not allowed, don't do it.


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Sorry for the confusion. I was posting this in the Mt. Magazine (Arkansas) section in response to comments about the loss of free camping. I now see that it also made the general forum without a point of reference.

Fitzontherocks, you may be correct about the park's present status. But a few years back (shortly after the state park was created) the base of the climbing site was still USFS land (I learned this while researching a Mag-based accident). At that time, according to the info I was given, it was legal to primitive camp anywhere downhill of the cliff (obvious safety and minimum-impact camping considerations applied).

It's certainly possible that the state park has since expanded its boundaries. But if not, we may have some free camping opportunities to look into!


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Check out the park boundary in relation to the climbers' trail in the current Mt. Magazine State Park brochure:

http://www.arkansasstateparks.com/...pibs/MTMAGAZN-03.pdf

The trail at the base of the climbing area is on Ozark National Forest land. Here's a quote about primitive camping from the ONF website:

"If you are one of those folks who prefers a different, more rugged camp experience, primitive camping is allowed almost anywhere in the Ozark-St. Francis National Forests unless there is a sign stating otherwise, or it is a wildlife food plot."

Public land is public land.


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You rock Zen.


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