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I've been to too many gyms with horrible lighting. It's dark, it looks half ass. It really helps the whole atmosphere to have proper lighting. I think most people don't put much thought into it. Natural lighting is a key element. So if you design a wall, ask yourself how will it be lighted? Natural, fake? etc. I've just had bad vibe from every poorly lit gym I've seen.


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Goodnes, would'nt want to you to get a bad vibe. I'll take care of that right away Sir.


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Goodnes, would'nt want to you to get a bad vibe. I'll take care of that right away Sir.

If you want me to return to your gym you will. Compare it to weather. You can have rain and darkness all day, which drains a lot of people, they seem to be in worse moods or you can have a warm, sunny day. People are just happier to be there.


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Oh, this is sucha coincidence. I was totally just listening to ray of light and I can tell we are so on the same vibe. :lol:


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You can have rain and darkness all day, which drains a lot of people, they seem to be in worse moods or you can have a warm, sunny day. People are just happier to be there.

Thats your opinion. The gym I used to go had a darker scheme and the one I go to now is so bright it's fucking obnoxious.

Some people like it dark.....


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One of the best days of climbing i've ever had, it rained on us. ISn't it all climbing in the end? If I were desperate enough to go inside, I wouldn't care, but that's just me.


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I've always liked "cosmic climbing" ya know like the bowling alley?
lots of black light, neon holds, maybe some lazers..


That's kick ass


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I agree that a well-lit facility is nice.

But how do you figure on incorporating "natural lighting" in an indoor climbing gym?

Are you a skylight salesman ;)


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Around here where I'm at, there's not enough gyms to be picky. ;)


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I've always liked "cosmic climbing" ya know like the bowling alley?
lots of black light, neon holds, maybe some lazers..


That's kick ass


:D I second that motion.

-Sean


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this is actually a good topic, but lighting is easier said then done, and not cheap.

I am currently strgleing with the best method for getting better light under the bottom side of our boulder. It's pretty dark under there, but adding any kind of spotlight or flood light makes for wicked shadows when you stand in front of it, and that is almost worse then no light.

hmmm... suggestions?


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The one lighting issue I've got is using incandescent lights in enclosed spaces. During the summer I sweat balls just stepping foot into the bouldering cave. It's freakin hot! in there.


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hmmm... suggestions?

Tiki torches.


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I absolutely agree that good lighting improves a gym.

The next comment pertains more to older facilities than newer (lambone), but it makes a world of difference to clean the insides of lights every once in a while. We did that at Inner Peaks last spring after being open for almost seven years. Our lights had dimmed so gradually due to chalk dust build up, that we never noticed how much until we cleaned them. The result was dramatic.


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I've been to too many gyms with horrible lighting. It's dark, it looks half ass. It really helps the whole atmosphere to have proper lighting. I think most people don't put much thought into it. Natural lighting is a key element. So if you design a wall, ask yourself how will it be lighted? Natural, fake? etc. I've just had bad vibe from every poorly lit gym I've seen.

When I clicked on this thread I figured it would teach me how to properly light a gym....nope, just bitching. sigh :roll:

Vibing comes from people, not from lighting. Try smiling, having fun, and talking to people rather than concentrating on the negative aspects of the gym. Maybe YOU are giving off the vibe.

Tom


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wurd on the cleaning of fixtures. Another thing is the bulbs themselves. There are many challenges for the gym owner. Electricity is a budget concern so cheaper is better. But, the cheapest types of bulbs lose over half of there light output well before they go dead. As a lighting designer I see several places where better planning would help.

Hey Lambone, send me info on your cave. lets get a decent plan for your cave.


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wurd on the cleaning of fixtures. Another thing is the bulbs themselves. There are many challenges for the gym owner. Electricity is a budget concern so cheaper is better. But, the cheapest types of bulbs lose over half of there light output well before they go dead. As a lighting designer I see several places where better planning would help.

Hey Lambone, send me info on your cave. lets get a decent plan for your cave.
This is all an interest of mine too. We decided on high output fluorescents instead of the usual high bay warehouse fixtures. They use half the power, last as long and don't change color at all. They're slightly more expensive initially, but not a lot.

As for the cave, we've been fooling around with these:
http://www.seagulllighting.com/...ighting-9233-40.html
They'll accept various bulbs and the bulb can be tilted inside the fixture to some extent. Maybe 3 or 4 down low around the perimeter of the cave would work?? Shadows and glare might still be an issue to some extent, but that's mostly when you're standing back and looking at the wall. When you're climbing you face the wall up close, so glaring lights are to your back or side. any thoughts?


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HOW TO LIGHT YOUR GYM
1) pile up all the beanies
2) add chalk
3) top with shredded floor rubber

From there, all it takes is a couple gallons of gas & a match....and your gym will be well lit, I gare-on-tee...


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kletter1man who told you high output fluorescent is cheaper to run than 1000watt Metal halides???? MH is cheaper per lumen and you can use higher voltage say like 480v which consumes 25% as many kilowatts as 110volt. Also the color of metal halide is closer to sunlight than fluorescent.


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kletter1man who told you high output fluorescent is cheaper to run than 1000watt Metal halides???? MH is cheaper per lumen and you can use higher voltage say like 480v which consumes 25% as many kilowatts as 110volt. Also the color of metal halide is closer to sunlight than fluorescent.

So I guess that's why people are replacing their HID with HO-T5's? "Cheaper per lumen" is only a small part of the story and highly debatable anyway. You're the first person to date to even suggest that HID is the way to go in a new installation. T5 CRI is better, output is virtually unchanged over the life of the bulb, they're instant on, better illumination spread. And we don't have 480v anyway.

Here are some self-serving industry references that you can dispute:
http://fcgov.com/...hting1105-design.pdf
http://www.lightcorp.com/...uorOptions_DD1A0.pdf

Please do enlighten me.


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From you lighting guys..

How about some info on LED lighting?
I've been pondering the benefits of switching some of my home lighting over to LED based bulbs.

I know they use significantly less power and last longer, but are there any configuration that would be useful in a gym or home?

For the bouldering cave, these would generate a lot less heat, but not sure if they would be bright enough.. even multiple lights could be pretty dark still..

http://www.theledlight.com/120-VAC-LEDbulbs.html

Later,

Scott


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Reflected light could do the trick - if you can get enough of it. Light colored mats or mat covers under the boulder and light colored walls surrounding it would direct ambient or spot light under your boulder. Enough square feet and good lights broadly dispersed and you have glare-, heat and shadow-free sitting starts.


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I would have to agree that reflective lighting is the best. I mean if you want to replicate the conditions outside as much as possible, if you're hanging upside down, you're gonna have a dark rock you're hanging on. :)

I'm usually happy if I can see what I'm holding and its not by those nasty florescent lights. :)


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HOW TO LIGHT YOUR GYM
1) pile up all the beanies
2) add chalk
3) top with shredded floor rubber

From there, all it takes is a couple gallons of gas & a match
Now all I can think about is if chalk burns well....


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CCC here in NYC has the entire roof made of skylights....

When it rains - we get rained on too, because the buidling is ancient and the skylights need repointing.

But, it is nice if you are there during the time of day when it's light outside.

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