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fisaacs
Aug 12, 2002, 5:29 PM
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So where exactly does one go when several hundred feet up on a big wall? Porta-toilet? Off the side? Hold it for the next two days?
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duck
Aug 12, 2002, 5:36 PM
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Usually a Thunderjug, Poop-tube, or WallFlower, though it would be entirely dependant on one's aim and the annoyance level of the climbers below
Dr.Piton invented the Wallflower, of the three it's my personal favourite as far as engineering goes (and it's single-use nature). Though being the big wall theorist that I am I can only offer speculation.
Dr.Duck Big Wall Scatologist
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deafclimber
Aug 12, 2002, 6:05 PM
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duck, what does wallflower look like ?
i saw a PVC tube hanging on wall in a picture somewhere.
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theclimer
Aug 12, 2002, 6:15 PM
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If you want to read about the Wall Flower, then take a look at this thread.
- Jeff
[ This Message was edited by: theclimer on 2002-08-13 12:51 ]
[ This Message was edited by: theclimer on 2002-08-17 19:17 ]
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duck
Aug 12, 2002, 6:17 PM
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Dr.Piton invented the wallflower, it looks like a string of bags of shite and kitty litter....until the summit, then it very closely resembles a bonfire
To the best of my understanding it is basicly a system of paper bags (or plastic for the non-bonfire style). You place a bit of kitty litter in a bag, then poo in it, the a little more kitty litter, then tie the bag off and hang it on a thin cord well below your haulbag. The top os the bags bell-out like a flower (hence the name) and every day your wallflower gets a new petal
The dessicative action of teh kittylitter makes it stink-free and when you get to the top you can safely burn the entire system with no bio-mess or stink at all. The arabians have been using Camel-poo to cook with for centuries, once dried it doesn't stink, it's just a simple fiberous biomass.
I'm sure the good Doctor will be kind enough to post a link, either that or do a quick look through the Aid forums and you should find it there.
Dr.Duck....next week, fun with a sigmoidoscope!
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djnibs
Aug 13, 2002, 12:35 AM
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I would hate to have to belay someone above me and then poop on my head. that would suck big time. lol
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climbinganne
Aug 13, 2002, 12:44 AM
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i like to conserve...so pissin' in pete's oatmeal would be a goot idea...yah?
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djnibs
Aug 13, 2002, 3:15 AM
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oh for sure!!!
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apollodorus
Aug 13, 2002, 3:45 AM
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Porta-Tubes suck, because you have to clean the thing out. You can put a Hefty bag inside, which will help.
WallFlowers (sorry, Jakob) are the way to go. You rip the four corners of a big brown grocery bag down until you get a 3" deep pan. Then you put some generic kitty litter in the bottom. Then, you yell to your partner, "HEY! That's one of the Huber Brothers over there freeing Hook or Book!" And then you . . . . And then your fold and roll it up, tie it with a small piece of duct tape and clove-hitch it to a 3mm line you hang WAY below your haul bags. At the summit, you build a medium size fire, tear the duct tape off to open the flower, and toss it in. And then move upwind.
Don't forget the BabyWipes to sanitize your fingers. There's nothing worse than contracting diptheria from yourself.
Of course, you can also take lots of Thorazine, which will immediately and severly constipate you, allowing you to hold it for up to a week. And then you can go to the clinic for surgery to remove the blockage. I've heard that heroin has this same effect.
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noosphere
Aug 13, 2002, 12:29 PM
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Has a bag ever come off and hit the person below?
HeHeHeHeHeHe
Poo
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deafclimber
Aug 13, 2002, 1:10 PM
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hmm... wallflower sounds better because i wud hate cleaning up the poop tube. yuck !
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marcel
Aug 13, 2002, 2:54 PM
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All this talk about poop makes me think of a trick I pulled on one of my climbing friends many years ago. The climber shall remain nameless, since he has now gone onto becoming a world class climber. Anyway we were doing a long mulit-pitch trad climb in Washington State when I caught him on film doing his business. About a month latter he was doing a big slide show in Seattle showing slides from his recent climbs around the globe. Unknown to him I had snuck that shot into the middle of his slide try. When he projected that slide up on to the screen it took him a few seconds to realize what it was, and when he did, man did he turn red. He told me latter the most embarrassing thing was the fact that his mother was in the audience. He never did get even with me, but years later when I went to a slide show he did on Everest he watched his slide trays carefully when I went up to talk to him.
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noosphere
Aug 13, 2002, 2:57 PM
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HAHA
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Aug 13, 2002, 3:12 PM
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leeper_z
Aug 13, 2002, 4:28 PM
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Big Wall Toilet:
1. Plastic wal-mart bags
2. large dry bags (clear dry bags make it more interesting )
3. baking soda
have fun with your fecal matter!
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marcel
Aug 13, 2002, 4:45 PM
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Wal*Mart bags are very good at holding sh^t.
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rocknpowda
Aug 13, 2002, 4:59 PM
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If there are ledges to go on, you can find a flat, plate-like rock, do your business on it and chuck it off when you're done. no clean up, no burning things, no non-biodegradable litter at the base of the route. Just make sure there is no one below you. In Zion, you can generally just hold it for the one or two days it will take you to top out.
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passthepitonspete
Aug 13, 2002, 5:41 PM
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Here is the correct link to the WALL FLOWER.
Please note that this is tried and tested, and is actually approved for use by Lincoln Else the Yosemite climbing ranger, as long as the fire on the summit is built in a pre-existing fireplace.
Also note that the advantages HUGELY OUTWEIGH the disadvantages!
The wind is not really a problem at all because the kitty litter plus a tightly sealed and duct-taped "petal" means the Wall Flower does not blow around much.
Dr. Piton emphatically recommends the Wall Flower as being the Better Way!
Only a Big Wall Theorist who believes in Traditional Technology would use a poop tube.
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I did not invent the Wall Flower. Chongo told me about it, so it may be his invention.
The comments made by Tom [apollodorus] on the previous page are spot on.
Also note:
While the poster above suggests dumping on a rock and then chucking the rock off the wall, this behaviour is emphatically NOT recommended by Dr. Piton when you are in a crowded area like El Capitan!
Not only is it highly illegal, but it could well kill somebody in such a crowded area. That would be a viable solution in a pristine mountain environment where there happen to be loose rocks lying around, and nobody beneath you to hit.
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edman1
Aug 13, 2002, 6:07 PM
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Individual ziplock bags stored in one large drybag is definitely the way to go. You can throw the drybag away after you get down....no major investment, just about $10.
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marcel
Aug 13, 2002, 6:26 PM
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edman1, lots of wilderness cavers do what you suggested. In the caving world they are know as burrito bags.
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hollyclimber
Aug 13, 2002, 6:30 PM
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Well, holding it is not a good solution. You climb best when you don't have to think about how bad you need to go.
I think it is funny that this question is the most often asked about wallclimbing...
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krustyklimber
Aug 13, 2002, 7:55 PM
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Yeah Holly,
I call it "The Nine Year Old Question"...
It is the very first thing a 9 yr old asks about climbing... "where do you poop?" with great concern on their little faces?!?
This seems to be a very emergent thing to them.
There is a climber sitting on a ledge belaying, the day is sunny and beautiful...
Suddenly the belayer is dumbfounded... "hey is it raining????"...then from said belayer bursts a loud retort of explitives I cannot repeat here (and I hope the tourons couldn't hear on the Valley floor) followed by an apology from the belayer on the route above the the ledge, and a giggled responce from the P***ed on belayers leader "I am GLAD I'm leading" soon to be followed by said p***ed on belayers realization that he has been sitting, sleeping, and eating on the stinkiest most disgusting ledges for three days now, and all is forgiven.
This little story is excerpted from my trip up the Leaning Tower last year... I wish I had been leading! I stripped in the parking lot and disposed of my entire outfit, socks and underwear included!
Jeff
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