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dynamic_climber


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Elvis legs, sewing machine legs, whatever you call them they're a bummer when climbing a hard route or problem. I'm sure just about all climbers get them at one time or another, and I'm just looking for anyone with advise one how to calm down these spasms. Right now I really don't even know if they're physical or mental problems. All i do know is that for me, it is not a fear of being high, and I only get them a tough routes! Even if there is nothing that I can do tell me.

somebody help me out here please!!


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Well, with practice you can actually will yourself to stop shaking, but it's not easy. The best way to do it is just to let your calf muscle relax so your weight is on the joint and not the muscle. It'll shorten your stance quite a few inches, but you can relax there until you decide to make your next move.

Did that make sense? I can elaborate if need be.


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Well, with practice you can actually will yourself to stop shaking, but it's not easy. The best way to do it is just to let your calf muscle relax so your weight is on the joint and not the muscle. It'll shorten your stance quite a few inches, but you can relax there until you decide to make your next move.

Did that make sense? I can elaborate if need be.


iow, drop your ankle below your heel...


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i hate to be one of those annoying people who's always saying, "we've answered this question 3000 times, do a search," but well...

you COULD do a search. or just drop your heels.


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iow, drop your ankle below your heel...

Thank you. I knew there was an easier way of saying that. 8^)


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Whether it's mental or physical, focusing on your breathing can help.


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i have no idea what you are talking about.


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Elvis sighting! :lol:


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I find that keeping my electrolyte levels high and keeping hydrated helps stop the shakes. As well, cutting myself off after my sixth large Horton's coffee of the morning helps too. :D


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Deep fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches have stopped elvis legs. It takes a while.


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depends on why you have the elvis leg.

if its physical (fatigues calves), then try droping your heel a bit.

if its psychological (youre scared), try to calm down. that sometimes happens to me when i almost fall. a few deep breaths and some talking to myself usually does the trick.


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Try changing the music on your Ipod to something more modern?


Oh, yeah - I was taught to get more weight onto the shaking leg. This seems to help.


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iow, drop your ankle below your heel...

Dang, how do you do that? :shock:


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for the physical problem, make suer that you are well hydrated and not caffinated, pleanty of potasium. for the mental shakes you need to climb more so that those situations that scare you seem like routine everyday climbing 8^) then if you do get the shakes you really know that you are in deep poo :shock:


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iow, drop your ankle below your heel...

Dang, how do you do that? :shock:

the less painfull would be to flip upside-down, the more painfull involves some bone remodelling.


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Hi dynamic_climber

This is how I think it "shakes" out. You, as we all tend to do, experience the elvis shakes on hard routes because our body is retracting and wanting to escape the stress. The mind is mostly responsible for this. When we are stressed we try to control the stress. Much of this tendency is very unconscious. Our mind revolts to the stress by creating all sorts of thoughts about not being able to continue. Our body revolts by contracting--rising up on our toes, overgripping, holding our breath, etc. This contracting is a defensive behavior. When we are in the middle of some hard climbing we need to be moving forward (open, receptive, relaxed, and focusing forward) not retracting and being defensive.

To counter this simply do the opposite--lower your heels, loosen your grip, breathe...
arno


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Hi dynamic_climber

This is how I think it "shakes" out. You, as we all tend to do, experience the elvis shakes on hard routes because our body is retracting and wanting to escape the stress. The mind is mostly responsible for this. When we are stressed we try to control the stress. Much of this tendency is very unconscious. Our mind revolts to the stress by creating all sorts of thoughts about not being able to continue. Our body revolts by contracting--rising up on our toes, overgripping, holding our breath, etc. This contracting is a defensive behavior. When we are in the middle of some hard climbing we need to be moving forward (open, receptive, relaxed, and focusing forward) not retracting and being defensive.

To counter this simply do the opposite--lower your heels, loosen your grip, breathe...
arno


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What arno is saying with all of that is that you are scared. If you attack your oponents attack you stand a much better chance of survival than if you freeze and shake like a rabbit waiteing to be eaten. What the warrior often forgets though is that running away may be an even better way of staying alive :D


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depends on why you have the elvis leg.

if its physical (fatigues calves), then try droping your heel a bit.

if its psychological (youre scared), try to calm down. that sometimes happens to me when i almost fall. a few deep breaths and some talking to myself usually does the trick.

However, if you're being possessed by a rock star from the 60s, you may have a deeper problem.

But seriously, drop your ankle below your toes and rest there till you need to make a move.


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On a practical physical note:

Deep slow breaths

Keep switching your feet / leg positions

Rest in your heels if you can

Shake out your legs

Do leg / calf strengthening exercises AND regular stretching


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I'm convinced that the Elvis-Leg affect you are talking about is nerves. Here's my reasoning:

(1) When I first began climbing, this occured only when I was scared.

(2) Many people who are in excellent fitness get Elvis Legs. It doesn't seem directly related to fitness.

(3) I've never seen someone bouldering getting Elvis Legs. Bouldering can fatigue you just as much as longer routes, so the absence of Elvis Legs seems to be nerves and not fatigue.

(4) I've had seasons of getting out of shape and then back into shape. Everytime I've climbed out of shape I haven't gotten Elvis Legs. I think this is because I've mentally matured and don't get that scared anymore.

I know much of this is subjective evidence, but I think it's true about Elvis Legs. Just keep climbing and it will go away.

GT


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it used to happen when I was scared.
just don't think about what's going to happen if you happen to fall
so what I do is think about th next move, ignore the leg and concentrate on where you're going next. concentration on the next move and concentration on the progress on the climb always shakes my shakes.

also, when it happens to me and I can't exactly keep moving or I start haking when I'm trying to milk a rest...concentrate on keeping that leg solid, like when you get the fast shakes on a slackline. drop the heel if you can and also try bracing your knee against the wall.

hey, I know, practice some slacklining!


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Deep fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches have stopped elvis legs. It takes a while.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's great.


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As a matter of fact, I get the Elvis legs when I climb no matter what the situation is. This also includes bouldering 4 feet off the ground but mostly on crimpy traverses. Out of all of the people I climb with,
I experience the jittery legs the most, and I also experience it in my arms too! For me, its most likely a caffeine problem; however, I feel it has more to do with my state of hydration and electrolyte balance. Several physical sypmtoms coincide with the Elvis legs: Cold feet, hands, and extremeties, etc. Again its most likely a combination of too much caffeine, not enough breathing, not sufficiently warmed up, overgripping the holds, and keeping my hips in too close to the wall.


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yeah bro you should eat a protein shake (w/ choc milk) and a banana, it'll help you worlds.
I was doing a freesolo two days ago and int he crux move i started to get rreal scared i was gonna fall. I have elvis all over me. Most terrified i have ever been, not just climbing.
For me it was mental techniques lacking
you - - bananan + protein

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