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traddad


Nov 30, 2006, 5:12 AM
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http://www.ctnow.com/...,6516734,print.story

A collective “I told you so” will ripple through the world of Bush-bashers once news of Christopher Lohse’s study gets out.

Lohse, a social work master’s student at Southern Connecticut State University, says he has proven what many progressives have probably suspected for years: a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush.

Lohse says his study is no joke. The thesis draws on a survey of 69 psychiatric outpatients in three Connecticut locations during the 2004 presidential election. Lohse’s study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person’s psychosis and their preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.


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clausti


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traddad wrote:
http://www.ctnow.com/...,6516734,print.story

A collective “I told you so” will ripple through the world of Bush-bashers once news of Christopher Lohse’s study gets out.

Lohse, a social work master’s student at Southern Connecticut State University, says he has proven what many progressives have probably suspected for years: a direct link between mental illness and support for President Bush.

Lohse says his study is no joke. The thesis draws on a survey of 69 psychiatric outpatients in three Connecticut locations during the 2004 presidential election. Lohse’s study, backed by SCSU Psychology professor Jaak Rakfeldt and statistician Misty Ginacola, found a correlation between the severity of a person’s psychosis and their preferences for president: The more psychotic the voter, the more likely they were to vote for Bush.


based on your summary, i can point out some major methodology flaws without even reading the paper.

if you studied mental health patients in SC instead of new england, what do you think you'd find? 'cause i know not a few people 'round here who think supporting democrats is psychotic.

69 is not even close to a significant sample number.
only sampling patients from one geographical area highly biases the study for pre-exsisting prejudice for political affiliation.


edit: i read the article. what the hell does "the more psychotic the patient, the more likely they were to vote for bush" mean? you either vote for bush or you dont vote for bush. or do they mean they ranked psychopathy on a scale and persons who score X were y% likely to vote for bush whereas peopl who were x+1 on teh scale were y+1% likely to vote for bush? not very clear. or persuasive.


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traddad


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C'mon Clausti, you can do better than that! The sig-o had the methods section in tatters inside of 30 seconds.


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iceisnice


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it doesn't mention anything about a control group either. seems like very biased research. also, did they filter through the kinds of mental illness? or just group them all together as a general psychosis? each person's psychosis is fairly specialized. hard to make generalizations about ALL bilpolars, or ALL depressions, etc. did they address how well the individuals interpreted the traits of candidates? some people with certain psychosis' "see the world" differently than people with other psychosis' or "normal" people.


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traddad


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Let's see if it gets through the peer review process to publication. Perhaps in the APA journal?


stymingersfink


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homer simpson wrote:
98 percent of all statistics are made up on-the-spot... but only 14 percent of the population is aware of it.

at least they were headed in the right direction with their sampling. I guess the next step would be to see how many of their original sample group are from Texas!


collegekid


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stymingersfink wrote:
homer simpson wrote:
98 percent of all statistics are made up on-the-spot... but only 14 percent of the population is aware of it.

at least they were headed in the right direction with their sampling. I guess the next step would be to see how many of their original sample group are from Texas!

Heh.

Regardless if the research was performed properly or not...it makes sense that those who feel the world is out of control would tend towards a stronger, more authoritarian leader.


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traddad wrote:
Jeebus, what do they teach you back east?

How to climb in extreme humidity and how to ski on ice. Seriously. Unimpressed


scrapedape


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Who cares even if it is accurate?

Much more telling would be research demonstrating not that psychos support Bush, but that Bush supporters tend to be psychos. The former doesn't necessarily imply the latter.


vivalargo


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collegekid wrote:
[Regardless if the research was performed properly or not...it makes sense that those who feel the world is out of control would tend towards a stronger, more authoritarian leader.

That's only the appearence--especially the perception of strength. What is psychotic is that given the incontrovertible failures in everything from Katrina to Iraq, Bush, a proven looser on the grandest of modern scales--can be so delusional that he can believe his losing strategies can be fobbed off as possible and future victories--and that folks will actually believe this is true. This is akin to saying the moon is square--which he did for an age; but when the world finally say the sphere in the sky Bush's delusions and loosing ways basically submarined an entire party, who tacidly went along with a looser.

JL


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