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wjca


Dec 21, 2006, 6:53 AM
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Bush in 2004 during campaign: "I do not support a federally mandated increase in the mimimum wage."

Bush in 2006 after Democrats take control of Congress: "I do support a federally mandated increase in the minimum wage, above and beyond what John Kerry proposed two years ago, as long as we can cut some taxes to ease the burden on the small business owner and [small print] as long as you guys will concentrate on that for a while and ignore everything else I've f*cked up [/small print]."


Anyone else have any thoughts on Bush's recent flip flop on minimum wage? Surely someone has to have a more educated opinion than mine on the topic.


madriver


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my take on the minimum wage debate is that 1/2 of 1% of Americans give a shit. What is the minimum wage anyway? And do you know anyone that makes minimum wage or any employer that only pays minimum wage? Does McDonalds even pay minimum wage?


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danpayne


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Minimum wage was never intended to survive on. It's just another pointless issue used by the left, much like the right uses flag burning and gay marriage.


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This is why you don't hear more Americans complaining:

Swift, Hiring on a Knife's Edge
By Robert Block
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GREELEY, Colo. -- Last Friday, just days after federal agents raided six Swift & Co. meat-processing plants and carted away nearly 1,300 workers as illegal immigrants, company officials scrambled to find replacements for vacancies on the killing floor.

At a city job center here near the company's corporate headquarters, one prospective new hire came from Somalia. He had lived in the U.S. for four months and barely spoke English. He didn't say how he had arrived in the U.S. or whether his presence was legal.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bet you 5 bucks the CEO of Swift does not time and suffers no consequences for hiring illegals and paying them min or less wages.

Its much more important for you all health nuts to be able to buy cheap mass produced and mass killed chicken, delivered to your door through sanctioned hiring of illegal labor.

The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT


wjca


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dingus wrote:
The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT

I agree. But what is a living wage?


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My naïve reply would one that two parents could support the nuclear family on – with some savings. Now what’s that number?

I know that doesn’t count for divorce, single parents, etc.


jbird2


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But is that on one income or assuming that both parents are working?

(I thought that nuclear families were outlawed under the non-plurification act) Laugh


danpayne


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You also need to take into account that only around 8% of America is making minimum wage, and the vast majority of them are servers in restaurants.


imnotclever


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jbird2 wrote:
But is that on one income or assuming that both parents are working?

Laugh

both, but with the way daycare costs are ...


madriver


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dingus wrote:
This is why you don't hear more Americans complaining:

Swift, Hiring on a Knife's Edge
By Robert Block
Word Count: 1,224

GREELEY, Colo. -- Last Friday, just days after federal agents raided six Swift & Co. meat-processing plants and carted away nearly 1,300 workers as illegal immigrants, company officials scrambled to find replacements for vacancies on the killing floor.

At a city job center here near the company's corporate headquarters, one prospective new hire came from Somalia. He had lived in the U.S. for four months and barely spoke English. He didn't say how he had arrived in the U.S. or whether his presence was legal.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bet you 5 bucks the CEO of Swift does not time and suffers no consequences for hiring illegals and paying them min or less wages.

Its much more important for you all health nuts to be able to buy cheap mass produced and mass killed chicken, delivered to your door through sanctioned hiring of illegal labor.

The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT


Dingus...do you realize that the Feds told Swift Co. two days before that they were going to raid them? Did you realize that Swift estimated that they would lose 40% of their work force because of the raid? Where do you think compainies like Swift that have a large undocumented work force are going to find replacements? Illegals and Min. Wage are Dog and Pony shows for votes, nothing more. Without a low minimum wage and a large illegal immigrant work force, hundreds of Swift Co. would be no more.


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coastal_climber


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BTW: what is minimum wage in the states?


reno


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Anyone who thinks jacking up the minimum wage will result in a better standard of living for the working class needs a refresher course (or introductory course) in Economics 101.


dingus


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madriver wrote:
Dingus...do you realize that the Feds told Swift Co. two days before that they were going to raid them? Did you realize that Swift estimated that they would lose 40% of their work force because of the raid?

Yes I realized all that and more. Now please fellate me.

DMT


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dingus wrote:
madriver wrote:
Dingus...do you realize that the Feds told Swift Co. two days before that they were going to raid them? Did you realize that Swift estimated that they would lose 40% of their work force because of the raid?

Yes I realized all that and more. Now please fellate me.

DMT


...we haven't even met you brute....besides....I really don't see how that would increase the minimum wage....wait...I see your point....minimum... and then using a sexual inuendo to hide your inadequacy....


Merry XXXmas

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madriver wrote:
and then using a sexual inuendo to hide your inadequacy....


Merry XXXmas

MaD

I didn't like the tone of your response to me about Swift. Ita pretty much shut down any chance to have a dialogue about the facts.

My initial reaction was to tell you to 'blow me' but that is uncivil and prohibited by the morality police.

And it wasn't innuendo btw. It was very direct and there was no hidden meaning.

DMT


madriver


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dingus wrote:
madriver wrote:
and then using a sexual inuendo to hide your inadequacy....


Merry XXXmas

MaD

I didn't like the tone of your response to me about Swift. Ita pretty much shut down any chance to have a dialogue about the facts.

My initial reaction was to tell you to 'blow me' but that is uncivil and prohibited by the morality police.

And it wasn't innuendo btw. It was very direct and there was no hidden meaning.

DMT


...instead of blow me you shoulda said "eat me"...


have a great New Year

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dynosore


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Pseudo-socialist BS. Let the free market determine wages.

For the average Joe making 20$ an hour, he will be going from making almost 4X minimum wage, down to less than 3X. Congrats, Dems, you just moved the middle class closer to minimum wage, all in the name of (buying votes) helping them.

Watch the price of a Big Mac & your Wally-goods go up as businesses raise prices to offset the increased wage expense.

Socialism- the most painful path from free markets to free markets.


dingus


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madriver wrote:
...instead of blow me you shoulda said "eat me"...

Good show! Now you're catching on. Nice to see you taking your schooling to heart.

DMT


styndall


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dynosore wrote:
For the average Joe making 20$ an hour, he will be going from making almost 4X minimum wage, down to less than 3X. Congrats, Dems, you just moved the middle class closer to minimum wage, all in the name of (buying votes) helping them.

There are a lot of sensible objections to minimum wage hikes.

This isn't one of them. Seriously, man. Stop going to crazy-person school.


cmacblue42


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Hey, did anyone hear that the company making a wall across the mexico border got accused of hiring illegal immigrants? lol, talk about irony.

Just thought I'd mention it cuz i thought it was funny.


Partner alexmac


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Instead of the worry about increasing the wage, the focus should be on why they can not earn more.

Less time smoking up, more school.


curt


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dingus wrote:
...The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT

I guess there are two pretty rash generalizations in there, eh?

Curt


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curt wrote:
dingus wrote:
...The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT

I guess there are two pretty rash generalizations in there, eh?

Curt


...what is a "living wage"? Please read this....

Vermont’s housing wage — the hourly pay an employee needs to pay the fair-market rent for a two-bedroom apartment — exceeds the incomes of most Vermonters who rent, the National Low Income Housing Coalition says in its annual report, “Out of Reach.”

In reply to:
The housing wage has jumped 10 percent since last year to a statewide average of $15.34 per hour, or $31,897 annually.

It is highest in the Burlington area — Chittenden, Grand Isle and Franklin counties — where renters need to earn $18.90 per hour, or $39,320 annually, to afford a two-bedroom apartment under federal housing affordability guidelines. It’s lowest in Orleans County where renters need to earn $10.42 per hour, or $21,680.

Renters in Lamoille County need to earn $13.15 per hour, or $27,360 annually.


....so is a "Living Wage" what you need to earn in order not to live in a box?

A national problem

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The “Out of Reach” report looked at every county in all 50 states, and found that housing costs are outstripping incomes and making decent housing scarce for low-income workers nationwide.

The national housing wage for a two-bedroom apartment is $16.31, up 3.4 percent from $15.78 last year.

The average hourly wage for all U.S. workers was $14 and the average renter made $12.64.

The state housing wage is highest in Hawaii at $23.43 and lowest in West Virginia at $10.30.


...minimum living wage or minimium wage? I guess it depends on where you live. I doubt many retail and service industries would survive very long at $14.00 per hr. minimum. While I can see the nobility in wanting all to make $40,000 a year, most of us are not going to want to subsidize that via inflation or Gov. subsidies to industry. The perpetual cycle of this wage increase will only hurt entry level workers, these industries and jobs will be exported to an even greater extent than they are now. That and increase in the demand for more illegal workers.


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dingus wrote:
This is why you don't hear more Americans complaining:

Swift, Hiring on a Knife's Edge
By Robert Block
Word Count: 1,224

GREELEY, Colo. -- Last Friday, just days after federal agents raided six Swift & Co. meat-processing plants and carted away nearly 1,300 workers as illegal immigrants, company officials scrambled to find replacements for vacancies on the killing floor.

At a city job center here near the company's corporate headquarters, one prospective new hire came from Somalia. He had lived in the U.S. for four months and barely spoke English. He didn't say how he had arrived in the U.S. or whether his presence was legal.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Bet you 5 bucks the CEO of Swift does not time and suffers no consequences for hiring illegals and paying them min or less wages.

Its much more important for you all health nuts to be able to buy cheap mass produced and mass killed chicken, delivered to your door through sanctioned hiring of illegal labor.

The Captains of Industry are crooks. I don't care if the cost of your Walmart goods rise a few pennies, it is immoral to pay a working adult less than a living wage.

DMT

I totally agree, the major ag-business firms are crooks.

The sad thing is that when the illegal immigrant and worker debate comes up, it's the 1300 workers who get blamed, thrown in prison or deported, not the ConAgra or Swift execs who authorized going to Mexico to illegally recruit them in the first place.

As far as health nuts are concerned, those I know are either vegetarian/vegan or buy their meat (poultry, beef) from free range, non-industrial, local farms. But that could be a minority. My 10 or so person sample hardly qualifies for statistical validity.


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