Mar 20, 2007, 10:31 PM
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Do you think female climbers are as good as males?
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I saw something a while back about male climbers being inherently better at climbing than females because of the whole muscle to mass ratio. Then, the other day, I heard a couple of guys (both of whom seemed to be pretty good climbers) talking at the gym about how even top female climbers never reach the same level as top male climbers. Is this actually true?
Women had an argument until October 31, 2005 when Tommy Caldwell freed the Nose and Freerider in the same day. Thank you Tommy. I no longer have to give the token, "Well there was this one feat that no male climber has ever accomplished..."
Women and men are different. A woman will never be faster, stronger, blah blah blah...than the fastest, strongest, blah blah blah man.
Judging by your mood, you should either: 1. be careful that you clip the proper of your two cords into your pro. or 2. Keep training hard, your higher than average levels of testosterone will allow you to become stronger than most men (see your recent posts in the Ladies Room). or 3. lighten up, and get used to dealing with jackasses on the internet!
(This post was edited by miavzero on Mar 20, 2007, 11:03 PM)
There will ALWAYS be a woman climbing stonger than me.
does it matter? Do I care??
This is all well and good. And of course it doesn't matter. But that isn't the question that was asked.
When someone asks if females are as good as males in climbing...I figure that means you have to look at the best of the best. And when you do this the best male climbers are better than the best female climbers (especially now thanks to Tommy Caldwell).
There are about a billion things that are different between men and women. But the only one you should really bother to ask, considering the performance of Josune Bereziartu, is why more women don't climb at a high level. And the answer, so far as I can tell, is that fewer women climb simply to out-climb others. And it is that competitive spirit, good or bad, that has driven the grades to where they are now.
One of my personal climbing master is a lady, after watching more 1000s of climbers in the every part of the world, IMO I would rank her # 1 in the world for been the best face and crack climber and also a good teacher.
I have also seen other good male climbers and female climbers and I have to add that most male climbers have stronger upper body and power to pull however, most female climbers are better in climbing formations and body movement positioning their hand and feet in great detail . Female climbers are also better in observation and very detail oriented in finding 3D holds (holds that are almost not in existence to an average eye).
Finally, If god was able to combine the power of a male climber and the climbing formation of a female climber in one body, there would not be any rocks that could not be climbed.
(This post was edited by majid_sabet on Mar 21, 2007, 1:29 AM)
When I first started climbing my chick friends immediately climbed better than me. They had better technique than me, and could twist and flag there way out of most things. However, at the later grades they fell back, because they didn't have the required strength.
My teacher always said women are naturally better and more suited for climbing.
When i asked why, he responded:
"Because they know they dont have massive upper body strength and are perfectly fine with that, hence they train themselves to use their legs for everything and concentrate on footwork right away. We as men are at a disadvantage from the start because we all have this feeling in the back of our minds that we could lift a buick if we had to and we try to show off by pulling thru every move. Plus women are lighter and more flexable and tend to get more attention than men when it comes to training. but that is attributed mostly to how they look in a harness 2 feet above your head."
It has always been my experience that woman are actually better at the inherent skills of climbing, meaning that they naturally seem to know the more technical movements and techniques, whereas the men are better at memorizing sequences, and of course start off with more muscle mass. Question comes down to what makes you better -- Grunting through a tough grade, or finessing a problem with moves rather than muscle. I believe it is the mix of both these traits that make a climber great.