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Caelaorn
May 27, 2007, 8:47 PM
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I just saw this today:
http://www.lrh.usace.army.mil/Announcements/index.cfm?id=11856&pge_prg_id=7732
Which is a press release saying cliff diving/jumping is now banned at a number of Army Corps of Engineer lakes, including Summersville.
Does this effectively ban DWS as well? I figure I will give the number listed in that link a call during the week, but does anyone else have any more information?
Thanks.
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bent_gate
May 27, 2007, 9:31 PM
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It doesn't say anything about climbing, bouldering, or water bouldering, so I am still going to do it. Of course I will maintain a low profile to avoid potential problems anyway. Just don't top out and jump off anything. If you fall when you are climbing, that is something that occurs at Summersville all the time, and climbing is not banned. And frankly, is there anyone there to stop you? I read it as jumping is banned, but not falling.
And if you post any photos of you flying off a cliff, be sure it is dated before 2007.
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Caelaorn
May 30, 2007, 6:15 PM
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Well, I called the information number today, and their description of what is illegal to do is that you "cannot enter the water from a height greater than your own".
It apparently doesn't matter if you are literally at the top of the cliff or not, so DWS seems dicey under these situations.
I'm really glad the 69 'water related deaths' since 1993 warrant such a law.
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microbarn
May 30, 2007, 6:42 PM
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Caelaorn wrote: I'm really glad the 69 'water related deaths' since 1993 warrant such a law.
Is this sarcasm?
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Caelaorn
May 30, 2007, 8:34 PM
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yeah it is. They give no information for how many deaths were caused by cliff jumping, they just say water related. I'd imagine the majority of those deaths involve people that are on boats and are too drunk to swim.
The fact that they use it as a reason is pretty weak.
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andrewd
May 30, 2007, 8:37 PM
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Well that blows!
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acarp
May 31, 2007, 4:08 PM
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bummer. I was hoping to get up there this summer.
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truello
Jun 13, 2007, 7:46 PM
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Well if they don't post any signs, can't you plead ignorance? Even if they do put signs at the top of the cliffs, climbers can't see them.
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dbrayack
Jun 13, 2007, 7:52 PM
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Its better that we don't threaten access.
Doing something "under the radar" or "illegal" will only provoke further repurcussions and likely restrict access completely.
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climbinwv
Jun 13, 2007, 8:14 PM
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Here is the deal...I work for an engineering firm in WV and have talked to the public information director for this region. If you enter the water from a height greater than that of your own body (if you are 6ft tall it would be 6 feet) YOU WILL BE FINED $5,000.00!!!!!! This means no clif diving, no DWS no climbing unless it is on toprope. The act will be in effect for at least three years as that is the term of the new commander. ACOE has 4 full time staff there and will be handin out fines with the help of DNR....Sorry dude...we are all FUNKED!!!!!
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dlintz
Jun 14, 2007, 9:27 PM
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truello wrote: Well if they don't post any signs, can't you plead ignorance? Even if they do put signs at the top of the cliffs, climbers can't see them.
A friend of mine who works near there says they've put signs all over the place. The rangers (?) have been hiding in the bushes and issuing $500 tickets to people. He said most of the tickets have been issued in areas mostly used for diving/swimming and not where the better DWS is located.
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dancefax
Jun 25, 2007, 4:20 PM
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Planning on going next week, does anyone know if they are enforcing this on climbers? anyone been fined? any info welcome!
Thx
Bern
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