Pretty much everybody in every sport tries to get better. You don't see gymnasts saying, I'm happy with an 8 on the parallel bars, because I like the movement.

If you reflect on your favorite climb, is it the hardest one you've sent?

I don't know why you think that applies to my stating a banal fact about climber using tick marks.

Jay

Thought I would join in the editing fun. Unfortunately, Jay won't see this as I have been moved to the killfile corner as well. Damn it is getting crowded.

You really ought to add what you changed that someone said. It wouldn't be fair to Jay if some one else thought he had said anal and you just highlighted it.

Yep. Intentional misquoting "for fun" was explicitly against the Terms of Service on the old site. Flint, please edit or delete your post.

Jay

Pretty much everybody in every sport tries to get better. You don't see gymnasts saying, I'm happy with an 8 on the parallel bars, because I like the movement. The is primarily a climbing phenomenon, whereby weak climbers pretend that staying weak and climbing at moderate levels is on a higher spiritual plane than trying to actually improve one's climbing. They call the latter "number chasing" in a thinly veiled attempt to make themselves feel better about their own inability or laziness. Your holier-than-thou, "if that's how you define your climbing, blah, blah, blah," is precisely what I'm talking about. Incredibly, you've actually convinced yourself of the moral superiority of mediocre performance. Amazing.

Edit: And now that your grammar has been corrected you change your post and note that it has been "edited for 'clarity'." You can't even be honest with yourself about your writing ability.

Jay

Part of the problem here is terms. What do "performance" and numbers" mean? For jt512, they refer to redpoint ability. For atpeaceinbozeman, they refer to onsight ability. Climbing only pre-tickmarked routes may indeed help you speed up your redpoints. Climbing only pre-tickmarked routes will mess up your ability to onsight.

Jt512 is being dogmatic here for effect (or maybe just for fun). Since he is a big proponent of "The Self-Coached Climber," he already understands that climbing and training are highly sport-specific, and that climbing only pre-tickmarked routes trains one to look for and use tickmarks. Since he wants to redpoint projects as quickly as possible, on local crags that are eternally tickmarked, that works pretty well. But he obviously also understands that climbing only on pre-tickmarked routes will weaken one's ability to read natural rock quickly and efficiently without tickmarks, hence reducing one's ability to put up big numbers onsighting. Moreover, since he also understands that working a weakness will do far more for one's abilities than working on a strength, and that most climbers now come from gym backgrounds and have more difficulty with reading natural rock (for footholds or pro placements) than with their movement vocabularies, he also must understand that climbing only pre-tickmarked routes would cut against the training principles that he has upheld elsewhere on this forum.

Yep, I guess it has a little. I didn't read the "edit" just the rest of your nonsense.

You remind of the speech and debate kid in high school. You know the one. He's very self assured and likes to argue every point, whether right or wrong, just to argue. The little bitches would argue that the earth was flat just to hear themselves debate. Great if you're on the team, but life isn't a debate meet.

I only ever found one way to shut them up, "shut your mouth or I'll shut it for you". Crude I know, but I never had to actually shut anyone's mouth. At 5'7" and 125lbs, I was pretty intimidating, let me tell you...

Fuck you and your tick marks. Eat my ass!!

I don't know why you think that applies to my stating a banal fact about climber using tick marks.

Jay

Jay, more and more I am noticing a trend in your posts:

You become involved in an argument and a point for point quote war ensues...

Then, amazingly when someone tells you that you are a smart-ass know-it-all you protest, feigning ignorance on how this one incident has made people say something so unfair...

Dude, with a history like yours I find it difficult to understand how you think you can defend such a stance... you act exactly the way angry has described in just about every thread I have seen you post...

You may not think you are a smart-ass, but from your post-history and modus-operandi, everyone else does.

... and that's the way it always is with the speech and debate kid in high-school... he thinks that being right about everything will make him really popular when in actual fact it's the reason that everyone else gives him wedgies!

Cheers,

Adam

PS unless someone quotes this, he'll never see it (I'm a JT killfile veteran)

Yes, on the old site. Are you not the one that was expressing the need for another to question their writing ability. Further more, it was just a joke, lets all play with a lighter heart and a little thicker skin.

j-

Misquoting is not allowed on rc.com............joke or not. Please change your quote flint.

PS unless someone quotes this, he'll never see it (I'm a JT killfile veteran)

Fuck you, Jay. I climb primarily for the love of climbing. Your claim that the love I feel is a delusion, and that climbing is simply about a desire for higher numbers is a slap in the face, and debasement of something you either don't understand, or don't respect.

Improvement is a small reason for why I, and many people I know, climb. If you can't appreciate much beyond that drive for numbers, fine. But don't claim that it's weakness or self-delusion.

GO

Pretty much everybody in every sport tries to get better. You don't see gymnasts saying, I'm happy with an 8 on the parallel bars, because I like the movement.

The is primarily a climbing phenomenon, whereby weak climbers pretend that staying weak and climbing at moderate levels is on a higher spiritual plane than trying to actually improve one's climbing. They call the latter "number chasing" in a thinly veiled attempt to make themselves feel better about their own inability or laziness.

Your holier-than-thou, "if that's how you define your climbing, blah, blah, blah," is precisely what I'm talking about. Incredibly, you've actually convinced yourself of the moral superiority of mediocre performance. Amazing.