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kfc6936


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does any one know where to purchase the edelrid eddy. I was going to look at getting it but cant find where to purchase it


maldaly


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It's distributed by Liberty/ABC. Try it before you plunk down the big bucks.
Mal


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I got mine for $99 from

http://www.outdoordaily.com/

If you're patient, it may show up again.

Or you could pay full price.

https://www.campman.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=82_163&products_id=1001&zenid=73ff8980025e00cdd86e9b8486fe4eb4


kfc6936


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well that a little to expensive for me maybe ill try and get the citch or the grigri ill have to look at the old threads to see witch one sounds like ill like better do any of you have a opinion on those to devices


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http://www.google.com/products?q=edelrid+eddy&btnG=Search+Products


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I have never used a cinch but i love my gri gri very much.


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If I recall, bent gate has 'em as a regular item.

I have no idea why you'd pay that kind of money for a belay device though.


microbarn


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I liked the eddy a lot. It is the safest of the autolocking belay devices in my opinion, but because of this it can be a little harder to give slack quickly.

Judging by your recent posts you probably haven't found the 'Gear' tab at the top of this webpage. Click that and find some answers on both of your belay devices. Additionally the search is a great resource too as mentioned.


Valarc


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The short answer is - forget the eddy, way too expensive for what it does.

As far as your other two options - here are my opinions after using both:

Grigri:
Incredibly easy to lower, requires a somewhat annoying technique to pay out slack quickly when lead belaying. Best on thicker ropes.

Cinch:
Super easy to pay out slack for lead belaying. Pain in the ass to lower, ESPECIALLY on thick ropes. Works well on a wider range of rope diameters than the grigri.

I personally stuck with the cinch - I'd rather have it take more effort to lower someone than have it be a hassle to pay out slack. I'd try both, though - a LOT of people absolutely hate the cinch because of how hard you have to pull the lever to lower someone.


maldaly


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Valarc, Thx for the props on the Cinch. While it will never be as easy to lower with as the Grigri, you can save yourself pain and hassle if you follow these specific lowering instructions: Practice it. It works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MjVdR4j8Q
Good luck,
Mal


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basilisk


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Valarc wrote:
Cinch:
Pain in the ass to lower
Really? I've always found it very straightforward for lowering people- just gotta find that sweet spot. The only time I've found it to be a pain is when I'm using it as a autoblock at the top of a climb and then I have to lower the climber. In that situation I've found it's actually easier to deal with all the prussiks and switch it over to a different device. But it's pretty rare that I autoblock with a cinch, and even rarer that I have to lower someone with an autoblocked cinch


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basilisk wrote:
Valarc wrote:
Cinch:
Pain in the ass to lower
Really? I've always found it very straightforward for lowering people- just gotta find that sweet spot.

I basically meant that it physically takes more effort to pull on the lever and get the cinch to release. It's not that it's tough to control, it's that the lever is shorter and doesn't give you as much leverage as the one on the grigri.

With ropes below 10mm, it's an easy lower, but I've found for the thick stuff I sometimes have to pull on the lever so hard it leaves an impression in the skin on my hand.


microbarn


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linky now:
maldaly wrote:
Valarc, Thx for the props on the Cinch. While it will never be as easy to lower with as the Grigri, you can save yourself pain and hassle if you follow these specific lowering instructions: Practie it. It works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MjVdR4j8Q
Good luck,
Mal
thanks for posting that.

Also, as a side note that nobody else is going to care about, I think it is pretty cool that the user kubi from this site was a (?the?) person to suggest the redirected biner for a controlled lower. It is really great that trango listens and implements user suggestions like that.


microbarn


Dec 15, 2007, 8:17 PM
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microbarn wrote:
linky now:
maldaly wrote:
Valarc, Thx for the props on the Cinch. While it will never be as easy to lower with as the Grigri, you can save yourself pain and hassle if you follow these specific lowering instructions: Practie it. It works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MjVdR4j8Q
Good luck,
Mal
thanks for posting that.

Also, as a side note that nobody else is going to care about, I think it is pretty cool that the user kubi from this site was a (?the?) person to suggest the redirected biner for a controlled lower. It is really great that trango listens and implements user suggestions like that.
spoke with kubi directly...I was wrong. He just found out about the technique before it was in the cinch documentation. Sorry if it was taking any credit away from you Mal or whomever did come up with the idea.


sspssp


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Valarc wrote:
basilisk wrote:
Valarc wrote:
Cinch:
Pain in the ass to lower
Really? I've always found it very straightforward for lowering people- just gotta find that sweet spot.

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With ropes below 10mm, it's an easy lower, but I've found for the thick stuff I sometimes have to pull on the lever so hard it leaves an impression in the skin on my hand.

One thing to keep in mind, a redesigned Cinch was released a while back (~year?,to lazy to look it up). The new Cinch gives a smoother and easier lower (don't have to pull the handle as hard), however, it is still designed for ropes around 10.2 mm and skinnier. For fat ropes and/or big walls the Grigri is still king. But otherwise I really prefer the Cinch over the Grigri. It takes a little getting used to, but that is also true the first time you use a Grigri.


pbjay


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dailyclimber usually has some screamin deals on the cinch. $50something last time.
Looks like outdoordaily has the best deals on the eddy. $99 on that is really good.

I bet if ya ask either store nicely they'll run them again!


moondog


Dec 18, 2007, 8:27 AM
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microbarn wrote:
Sorry if it was taking any credit away from you Mal or whomever did come up with the idea.

Redirecting the rope through a 'biner for extra friction is an oldie. Not sure when it was introduced to climbers, but it was a standard descent technique when I started caving 20+ years ago...


dbrayack


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Valarc wrote:
The short answer is - forget the eddy, way too expensive for what it does.

As far as your other two options - here are my opinions after using both:

Grigri:
Incredibly easy to lower, requires a somewhat annoying technique to pay out slack quickly when lead belaying. Best on thicker ropes.

Cinch:
Super easy to pay out slack for lead belaying. Pain in the ass to lower, ESPECIALLY on thick ropes. Works well on a wider range of rope diameters than the grigri.

I personally stuck with the cinch - I'd rather have it take more effort to lower someone than have it be a hassle to pay out slack. I'd try both, though - a LOT of people absolutely hate the cinch because of how hard you have to pull the lever to lower someone.

I love the Gri-Gri on skinny ropes...it makes feading LOADS easier (pun intended.)

I've been meaning to try a cinch, but its hard to justify the $$ when you already have a Gri-Gri..i hear they're a cinch... =)

-Danno


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