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stymingersfink
Jan 8, 2008, 10:13 PM
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yeah, plenty of things wrong with that, beginning with the camera. as far as clipping in with a biner, then backing it up with a loop around the waist... couldn't tell ya, other than I wouldn't clip in unless that was the only option. I suppose climbing in a mall might be one of those times... not that I would necessarily climb on some faux rock in a mall...
i liked this video better... not necessarily the watching of it, but the hearing of it in the background.
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crimping_bum
Jan 8, 2008, 10:21 PM
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Didn't a woman recently die on Halloween tying in the same way with a carabiner instead of a good ol fashioned knot?
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majid_sabet
Jan 8, 2008, 11:25 PM
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Nothing wrong with his TR setup and also this does not belong to lab.
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shockabuku
Jan 8, 2008, 11:47 PM
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Anything wrong with this?
Yeah. If you're over 8 years old and of normal mental and physical capacity you shouldn't be climbing if you can't tie-in by yourself.
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jgloporto
Jan 11, 2008, 4:15 PM
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Lots is the answer to the question of Is Anything Wrong With This.
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reg
Jan 11, 2008, 4:41 PM
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no need to back up the harness unless you think the harness may fail or is on wrong and if either is possible you shouldn't be climbing there and/or using their gear. but they don't know what good and bad, having no experience.
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kmc
Jan 11, 2008, 5:08 PM
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Thats sick how he climbs completely horizontal like that. Must require some serious body tension.
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reg
Jan 11, 2008, 5:12 PM
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didn't watch the whole thing - sorry
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markc
Jan 11, 2008, 5:28 PM
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shockabuku wrote: Anything wrong with this? Yeah. If you're over 8 years old and of normal mental and physical capacity you shouldn't be climbing if you can't tie-in by yourself.
Are you suggesting that people that have never climbed should be able to figure out a retraced figure 8 on their own, or that this sort of outfit should be taking time to teach a knot that the majority of their users will never need again?
I think it's wrong they don't let the kid hangdog for a second and get back on the wall. Maybe they're in to rapid turnover. Regarding the tie-in, it seems they're just backing up the locking biner with the rope. I'd rather tie in direct, especially if they're dealing with tying a backup. If they wanted to save time, they could go with opposite and opposed biners for the harness connection.
There was one thing that really bothered me. I've seen more steady camera work from epileptic monkeys.
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USnavy
Jan 14, 2008, 5:52 AM
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I have seen A LOT of gyms put a biner on the end of the rope and have you tie into that. In fact just about every small gym I have been to does it that way. So many gyms do it that way that when I climb with someone who only had indoor climbing experience they almost always tie in that way (until I tell them not to) because that’s what they are use to.
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elepita
Jan 14, 2008, 10:46 AM
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That does not even look like a gym, it looks like a climbing wall in some kind of exhibition centre or something.....I find everything wrong with it....
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swede
Jan 14, 2008, 11:39 AM
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Everything is wrong with it. Especially why he is coming down so quickly - as far as I can see the belayer simply holds the rope with one hand. No brake, no harness, not using two hands.
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king_rat
Jan 14, 2008, 11:53 AM
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Using a biner to attach a top rope is quite a common practice in settings like this where there is a high turnover of people climbing who have no experience. It has its pros and cons, but I would not consider it unsafe, in this setting. I’m sure if you search this site this kind of setup has been debated before. I don’t know what the point of rapping the rope around the climber is but as far as I can see it’s not an unsafe practice, perhaps they use that method instead of tying a stopper knot.
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pro_alien
Jan 14, 2008, 12:18 PM
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king_rat wrote: Using a biner to attach a top rope is quite a common practice in settings like this where there is a high turnover of people climbing who have no experience.
My local gym now uses two opposed via ferrata biners for their autobelay. I would use the same setup for "retail climbing" like this.
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king_rat
Jan 14, 2008, 1:20 PM
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swede wrote: Everything is wrong with it. Especially why he is coming down so quickly - as far as I can see the belayer simply holds the rope with one hand. No brake, no harness, not using two hands.
It looks like there is some kind of belay device attached to a bolt on the wall at about knee height, though I could not make out what it was.
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fitzontherocks
Jan 14, 2008, 2:56 PM
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Most mall walls just use a locker, so this setup had some redundancy at least. Wouldn't want to take a fall on that backup, though. And I think that punkass rope was kind of gimp... skinny and stiff.
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JesusNut
Apr 1, 2008, 12:15 AM
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Is there anything wrong with that? No, That kid had it lucky. The two climbers before him had theirs tied around their necks. Really, stay out of that city.
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palidon11
Apr 9, 2008, 3:12 PM
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i do it in the gym occasionally, but i'd never do it at the crag.
if there was enough slack in the rope it would be easy for the rope to move over the gate, and as we all know the gate isn't particularly strong.
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 9, 2008, 3:40 PM
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My buddy in the Army told me that they only ever clip in via locker. They do it for speed of getting off rope. He being a climber is freaked out by having to do this. I also could not watch entire video (ADD/HD) sorry.
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shimanilami
Apr 9, 2008, 5:19 PM
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What's wrong with this?! Absolutely nothing. In fact, it's pure genius.
I can only dream about building a full scale mall around my favorite crag. Imagine the possibilities! Warm Cinnabon rolls before tying in, Hot-Dog-on-a-Stick for lunch, and chilled white zinfandels to cool down! And if someone was wearing the same color manpris as me, there could be a Prana retail shop (although Hollister is more my style) right there! I could leave my kid a Gymboree for the day!
What's more, that almost looks like an airport mall!
Where should we start? Do you think the Valley could fit inside a mall?
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