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So I think it's time to make the jump to a DSLR. I'm not happy about it, but I guess it's time...
I shoot Nikon bodies now, it would make sense for me to stick with Nikon. I shoot some weddings, but mostly just a hobby...
Should I go for the D200/D300, or would a D60(oooh, shiney, new) or D80 do for the climbing side of things?

On that note, anybody buy the shiny new D300 and want to sell their older Nikon body?


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D300 is a great camera. But for regular climbing, hiking, and any other in the woods stuff I still like my d40x. It's smaller and I don't care if it gets banged up a little.


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Unfortunately I can't really afford to buy 2 bodies..
I'm not afraid of a big body, I shoot an F2, F3 (with motor drive) and F4 now.. The things are bricks, but sooooo nice.

How much of a difference is there between the D300 and 200, or 200 and 80?


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If I could by only one I would go for d300 (at $1600 I think its a great buy) If you decide to buy 80 or 200 make sure you are getting a hell of a deal ( like half a price)
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I just spend two weeks of intense on-line DSLR shopping expedition and got Canon XTI 10.0 mp for my wife.

Whatever you do, just do not buy it off those guy in NYC or those package deals on ebay. You are better off building yourself a kit than getting those on-line kits. Most of the one they sell in NYC are after market, gray market, refurb and in may case , do not come with battery, or charger etc.


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majid_sabet wrote:
I just spend two weeks of intense on-line DSLR shopping expedition and got Canon XTI 10.0 mp for my wife.

Whatever you do, just do not buy it off those guy in NYC or those package deals on ebay. You are better off building yourself a kit than getting those on-line kits. Most of the one they sell in NYC are after market, gray market, refurb and in may case , do not come with battery, or charger etc.
I hear you Majid, and you have a good point. But I"m not shopping for one right now.Wink


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I've heard great things about the newer Canon DSLRs, I just can't afford to replace my body and glass..

That's great advise about those ebay package "deals" I hate ebay with a passion. Too many scams, too many shitbags, just not worth my time. I'll end up buying it local..


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aja175 wrote:
Unfortunately I can't really afford to buy 2 bodies..
I'm not afraid of a big body, I shoot an F2, F3 (with motor drive) and F4 now.. The things are bricks, but sooooo nice.

How much of a difference is there between the D300 and 200, or 200 and 80?

I just bought a used d200 (from Kenmore camera near Seattle ...keh.com has them online).

d200 and d300 both meter with all ai (manual focus with the notch for the coupling like on an f3) lenses. d80 or lower will not be able to detect what aperture you have it set to (and cannot meter) unless the lenses have electronic contacts.

200 and 300 are weather sealed 80 is not.

200 and 80 have the same sensor/iamage quality but the 200 is faster. 300 has a nicer sensor that lets you shoot up to aso 1600 with no noise. It also has a dust removal mechanism built in.

I got the 200 because i have old manual focus lenses i wanted to use and couldn't afford the 300. It feels almost as nice as my old f3 and workd great with my 180 2.8 and 24 2.8 mf lenses.

sample iamges at:
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Awesome, thanks! That gives me an excuse to spend the $$ on the D200 ;) I have all manual glass, Not being able to use my 180 ED or my old series one glass would be a deal breaker.


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No problem...the old 180's kick ass.

If you've got the $$ the 300 might be nice. imagine shooting that 180 at 1600 with no noise and never having to carry a tripod...

adorama and bhphotovideo are both good new york dealers.


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Oh and when you get the camera set the custom function button so that it lets you dial in the focal length and aperture of your mf lenses. Otherwise you have to do it through the menu.


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EDIT TO ADD:
And I think really old (pre f3) non-Ai lenses may break the ai lever on the 200 but i don't own any to check...


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i upgrading my camera not to long ago. I debated between the D80 and the D200 for a few months. In all honesty, the two are not so different. The body is heavier and weather sealed on one and the frames per second is quicker on the D200. The rest of the two cameras are very similar.

I chose the D80 over the D200 because I wanted something versatile. I shoot climbing, travel, a couple of wedding here and there and I have no complaints. It's light when I fly and climb, fast when i need it to be, and I was able to use all my Nikon lenses without any problems.

Like you, I could not afford to buy one camera for Wedding, one for sports, one for climbing.

10,000+ frames shot so far and I Love it. No regrets.
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i upgrading my camera not to long ago. I debated between the D80 and the D200 for a few months. In all honesty, the two are not so different. The body is heavier and weather sealed on one and the frames per second is quicker on the D200. The rest of the two cameras are very similar.

I chose the D80 over the D200 because I wanted something versatile. I shoot climbing, travel, a couple of wedding here and there and I have no complaints. It's light when I fly and climb, fast when i need it to be, and I was able to use all my Nikon lenses without any problems.

Like you, I could not afford to buy one camera for Wedding, one for sports, one for climbing.

10,000+ frames shot so far and I Love it. No regrets.
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after rereading this post, ryanab helped me realize what OP was really asking about . OP should make sure about what lenses he can use if he buys D80. D200 or D300 may be only way to go for him and still use all his lenses...


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ryanb wrote:
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And I think really old (pre f3) non-Ai lenses may break the ai lever on the 200 but i don't own any to check...

I'd be surprised if it broke the AI lever, the old pre F3 lenses work fine in my F4 that's AI capable, it just doesn't use that functionality.
Def something to investigate first tho. Nice call, I wouldn't have even thought of that.

I think I'm going to do the D200. weather is a big consideration in upstate NY, especially for weddings and such. Shooting in the rain or snow sucks, but welcome to Buffalo.


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I think I'm going to do the D200. weather is a big consideration in upstate NY, especially for weddings and such. Shooting in the rain or snow sucks, but welcome to Buffalo.
Weather is abig consideration everywhere. I am living in Indonesia, hea and humidity alone can be rough on a camera, but we also have a rainny season here. I still don't see the need for the weather sealig of the D200. I don't stand in the rain when I photograph persoanlly.

Shooting weddings in the rain. How does that happen? Why not move the wedding indoors or under cover.

With that said, while hiking in Ew Zealand in December, it rain most of the day. I used my D80 with no problems.

Regrdless of what you buy, enjoy it
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I think I'm going to do the D200. weather is a big consideration in upstate NY, especially for weddings and such. Shooting in the rain or snow sucks, but welcome to Buffalo.

Weather is abig consideration everywhere. I am living in Indonesia, hea and humidity alone can be rough on a camera, but we also have a rainny season here. I still don't see the need for the weather sealig of the D200. I don't stand in the rain when I photograph persoanlly.

Shooting weddings in the rain. How does that happen? Why not move the wedding indoors or under cover.

With that said, while hiking in Ew Zealand in December, it rain most of the day. I used my D80 with no problems.

Regrdless of what you buy, enjoy it
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I saw a post on this about the D200 having clean ISO1600....Bullshit!!!

It's god awful. It has less to do with the sensor than the 4 channel coverter that allows it to fire at 5fps, but for noise you'd be better off with the D80 or D300. The D80 uses the same sensor as the D200 but it only has a 2 channel converter so it's slower but less noisy. Of course it's a partially crippled mount.

Now the D300 is squeaky clean at 1600 (in comparison, but it's not ISO 100 or 200 good either).

As far as the weather sealing, shooting in the rain and snow are when the best photos are made.

That said, my K10D and D1H are my only 2 weather sealed cameras, the others (5 others) are not. None have died and this includes my Program Plus which has been beat to crap, endured sandstorms, rain storms, blizzards and sub 0F temps. And it's not even the best built of my manual cameras (that would be the KX).

What I'm saying, weather sealing is piece of mind and probably really useful when you have to shoot in the rain, sleet, snow, or sandstorms, but not a necessity if you are careful.

Yeah, the Northeast is crappy for weather. We don't get those high pressure fronts that camp out over the west, usually it rains every few days and NY has significantly more rain than Seatle does (goes to show you how false that "it rains every day in seatle" thing is, they forget to tell you it hardly ever rains during the summer). There is a reason forest fires are less frequent in the eastern US, and even less so in the northeastern US.

That said, I'd probably never buy another non weather sealed camera. I'm more at ease knowing my weather sealed cameras are getting wet then my non weather sealed. Doesn't mean I seek out shitty weather anymore than I did, I just always find myself shooting in shitty weather. I'm the idiot that gets excited when I wake up and it's nasty looking out. Anything but 33F and pissing rain gives me a woody.

The fact is the shots you get when everyone else has their camera tucked away safely in it's waterproof pelican case are the only shots of that moment, thus they are by default the best, even if they are only marginal. You realize all those cam phone shots of the london bombings basically sucked but were sold for thousands because they were the only shots? Yeah, thats my point.

Just a very small collection of photos taken in the rain, sleet, snow and mist.
















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if you're going to be doing weddings you should go for the d300. the high iso shots which would help in indoor light /low light weddings. d300 high iso photos are pretty amazing.

the d200 at high iso has a lot of noise


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I have a D200 and love it for:
- Weather sealing - I shoot a lot in the desert and it helps with the grit. I chose it over the D80 for the weather sealing.
- Ease of Handling - All of the controls are right there so you get the shot while you'd be fiddling with other cameras.
- Auto WB and Auto ISO - You can limit the upper and lower ISO to keep it below 800. If you need to go above that get a copy of Noise Ninja or DXO. Both will give you another stop or 2 of ISO. DXO does all kinds of amazing stuff and every DSLR photog should have it in their work flow.

If I was buying today I'd get the D300, NQA.

I love my D40 because of the great photos and light weight. Looks like the D60 is a proud upgrade. Anyone see a price yet? Lens compatibility?

Really glad i didn't get the D80. Nikon is phasing it out quicker than I've ever seen.

There is a nice set of wedding shot here for those of you that are interested. Used flash fill @ -1.7 for many of them.

http://ranchexitphoto.zenfolio.com/p479102591/

Happing shooting,
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I have owned two D2X's, one D2H, 3 D70's and two D200's. Go with the D200. You won't regret it. I carried it climbing a lot and some of the shots on my profile (photo albums) were shot with it.


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aja175 wrote:
ryanb wrote:
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And I think really old (pre f3) non-Ai lenses may break the ai lever on the 200 but i don't own any to check...

I'd be surprised if it broke the AI lever, the old pre F3 lenses work fine in my F4 that's AI capable, it just doesn't use that functionality.
Def something to investigate first tho. Nice call, I wouldn't have even thought of that.

I think I'm going to do the D200. weather is a big consideration in upstate NY, especially for weddings and such. Shooting in the rain or snow sucks, but welcome to Buffalo.

http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/slr-lens.html
has a good lens compatibility chart.

f4 probably has a fold up ai tab like my f3? The one on the d200 is fixed. A good camera repair place should be able to mill an ai groove in pre-ai lenses...



d200, 180 2.8 ED.


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ryanb wrote:
aja175 wrote:
ryanb wrote:
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And I think really old (pre f3) non-Ai lenses may break the ai lever on the 200 but i don't own any to check...

I'd be surprised if it broke the AI lever, the old pre F3 lenses work fine in my F4 that's AI capable, it just doesn't use that functionality.
Def something to investigate first tho. Nice call, I wouldn't have even thought of that.

I think I'm going to do the D200. weather is a big consideration in upstate NY, especially for weddings and such. Shooting in the rain or snow sucks, but welcome to Buffalo.

http://www.nikonians.org/nikon/slr-lens.html
has a good lens compatibility chart.

f4 probably has a fold up ai tab like my f3? The one on the d200 is fixed. A good camera repair place should be able to mill an ai groove in pre-ai lenses...

[image]http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2071/2210414122_592ca7b24f.jpg?v=0[/image]

d200, 180 2.8 ED.

The 180 is an awesome lens, and found for 1/3rd the price of a used 80-200 2.8. It's sharper (which is hard to believe because the 80-200 nikkor is about as sharp as an 80-200 can get) and suffers from less vignetting wide open. If 200mm is what you need, and you care more about optics than zoomy, the 180 is still impossible to beat.


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The 180 is an awesome lens, and found for 1/3rd the price of a used 80-200 2.8. It's sharper (which is hard to believe because the 80-200 nikkor is about as sharp as an 80-200 can get) and suffers from less vignetting wide open. If 200mm is what you need, and you care more about optics than zoomy, the 180 is still impossible to beat.

The only lens I like more than my old 180 is an even older Vivitar Series 1 90mm. IF you can find one, grab it. You won't be disappointed. Don't buy the new remake of it, the glass isn't even close.


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The 180 is an awesome lens, and found for 1/3rd the price of a used 80-200 2.8. It's sharper (which is hard to believe because the 80-200 nikkor is about as sharp as an 80-200 can get) and suffers from less vignetting wide open. If 200mm is what you need, and you care more about optics than zoomy, the 180 is still impossible to beat.

The only lens I like more than my old 180 is an even older Vivitar Series 1 90mm. IF you can find one, grab it. You won't be disappointed. Don't buy the new remake of it, the glass isn't even close.

I've used the 180mm but don't have one yet. I'm looking for a deal from someone unloading it for cheap.

As a tip, the older (non AF-S) 300mm f/4 is an incredible lens. And what funny, and I laugh my ass off about this, it actually focuses faster than the AF-S version.

Even Tom Hogan notes that the AF-S isn't that fast, but the key is the non AF-S f/4 has a dynamic focus limiter.

So if you know your subjest is going to be 50-100ft away you limit focus to 50-infinity. Works even better at 75-infinity (most sports).

The lens focuses like a dream, but the AF-S only has a switch for limiting focus. Full, and macro. Works like crap.

Goes to show you the old stuff sometimes is better despite marketing rhetoric.


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I've used the 180mm but don't have one yet. I'm looking for a deal from someone unloading it for cheap.

As a tip, the older (non AF-S) 300mm f/4 is an incredible lens. And what funny, and I laugh my ass off about this, it actually focuses faster than the AF-S version.

Even Tom Hogan notes that the AF-S isn't that fast, but the key is the non AF-S f/4 has a dynamic focus limiter.

So if you know your subjest is going to be 50-100ft away you limit focus to 50-infinity. Works even better at 75-infinity (most sports).

The lens focuses like a dream, but the AF-S only has a switch for limiting focus. Full, and macro. Works like crap.

Goes to show you the old stuff sometimes is better despite marketing rhetoric.

All but one of my lenses are non-AF. The AF I have doesn't leave the bag unless I need it specifically for something... I rarely even use my AF body (F4).
I have that 300mm ED glass. It's great! I use the thing all the time.

i got my 180 on ebay for under $100. Not sure why it was so inexpensive, there is nothing wrong with it at all, the glass is pristine, the barrel doesn't have a mark on it. I think the guy just didn't know what he had and I hit it at the right time.

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