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seeya
Apr 19, 2008, 3:50 AM
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For just ascending fixed ropes (2 jugs and a gri gri )
Would you hook everything into the belay loop with 2 lockers ? or just the gri gri on the belay loop and put the jugs on the harness attachment points with a locker. Thanks.
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coastal_climber
Apr 19, 2008, 4:16 AM
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When I use a gri gri for backup its on a pear biner through my tie-in points. Two ovals from ascenders on belay loop.
>Cam
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climbingaggie03
Apr 19, 2008, 5:43 AM
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So, I've never used two ascenders and a gri-gri, but I attach to my ascenders with daisy chains that are girth hitched to my tie in points. I guess I'd put the gri-gri on my belay loop.
IIRC one of the attributing factors to Todd Skinner's belay loop failing was having daisy chains girth hitched to his belay loop. I don't want to support the paranoia of backing up belay loops, but I also have never been much for girth hitching things to my belay loop. Neither have I ever been one to support clipping a biner to the tie in points.
IMO belay loops are for clipping biners to, and tie in points are for ropes and slings.
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GeneralBenson
Apr 20, 2008, 12:02 PM
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It's also the opinion of every harness and biner manufactuer that I know of. Tie in point are for soft-good connections, belay loop is for hard-good connections. I've never seen a harness manual or biner manual recomend anything else, and they usually go as far as to say not to do otherwise.
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ja1484
Apr 20, 2008, 2:01 PM
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GeneralBenson wrote: It's also the opinion of every harness and biner manufactuer that I know of. Tie in point are for soft-good connections, belay loop is for hard-good connections. I've never seen a harness manual or biner manual recomend anything else, and they usually go as far as to say not to do otherwise.
Exactly. Tie-in points have abrasion-resistant covering (usually a kevlar weave of some kind these days) and are ideal for soft goods, especially if there will be a lot of motion.
Belay loop is for hard goods, to prevent unusual loading of carabiners.
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moof
Apr 21, 2008, 9:05 PM
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Me:
2 adjustable daisies girthed to the tie in points up to the jugs. One locker on the belay loop for backup knots. One more locker on the belay loop for the gri-gri. I use very few backup knots unless it's windy, there are snag hazards, or I have head games going on. Maybe 3 knots for a full length pitch.
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wanderlustmd
May 7, 2008, 4:06 PM
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GeneralBenson wrote: It's also the opinion of every harness and biner manufactuer that I know of. Tie in point are for soft-good connections, belay loop is for hard-good connections. I've never seen a harness manual or biner manual recomend anything else, and they usually go as far as to say not to do otherwise.
The Silent Partner instructs to use two lockers through tie in points. Obviously, this is probably ok because there are two lockers in play, so biner failure due to X-loading or triaxel issues is moot.
Just thought I'd be a dick.
Other than that, I agree with the soft = harness, hard = loop rule. Many folks I know girth to the loop, though; Todd's harness should have been replaced long before his accident...
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chossmonkey
May 7, 2008, 8:13 PM
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wanderlustmd wrote: The Silent Partner instructs to use two lockers through tie in points. Obviously, this is probably ok because there are two lockers in play, so biner failure due to X-loading or triaxel issues is moot.
I girthhitch the daisies to my tie in points and grigri goes on the belay loop.
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stymingersfink
May 7, 2008, 10:42 PM
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chossmonkey wrote: wanderlustmd wrote: The Silent Partner instructs to use two lockers through tie in points. Obviously, this is probably ok because there are two lockers in play, so biner failure due to X-loading or triaxel issues is moot. This is correct. I girthhitch the daisies to my tie in points and grigri goes on the belay loop.
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wanderlustmd
May 8, 2008, 1:22 AM
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stymingersfink wrote: chossmonkey wrote: wanderlustmd wrote: The Silent Partner instructs to use two lockers through tie in points. Obviously, this is probably ok because there are two lockers in play, so biner failure due to X-loading or triaxel issues is moot. This is correct. I girthhitch the daisies to my tie in points and grigri goes on the belay loop. ^^this is correct too.
Yur rong.
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