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abbadab
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hello again, so i was doing my "climbing homework" and reading the articles on the homepage and came across the section on Ropes. i had been under the impression that all climbers used dynamic ropes, but about static ropes the article said: "These are primarily used for rappelling, top-roping and hauling gear, however should NEVER be used for lead climbing" so my question is: how could it be used in top-roping if it should not be used in lead-climbing? doesn't one person have to lead-climb in order to set up a top-rope? as a new climber should i clarify with the person taking me climbing what type of rope is being used? is static primarily used only in indoor-climbing where the rope is permanently set-up? i would assume a static rope wouldn't be used in an out-door situation..but as i've learned so many times before: don't assume sorry for all the questions lol..thanks for any and all info! ps: i just got my first harness and accessories this weekend! can't wait to use them! *happy dance* haha
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abbadab wrote: hello again, so i was doing my "climbing homework" and reading the articles on the homepage and came across the section on Ropes. i had been under the impression that all climbers used dynamic ropes, but about static ropes the article said: "These are primarily used for rappelling, top-roping and hauling gear, however should NEVER be used for lead climbing" so my question is: how could it be used in top-roping if it should not be used in lead-climbing? doesn't one person have to lead-climb in order to set up a top-rope? Taking a lead fall is WAY different from a TR fall. a lead fall can be far...very far. Spend some time learning about leading and you'll understand why. TR falls generally and just kinda like "sitting down" (if your belayer is paying attention anyway). Depends on the area, some areas you can walk above and set an anchor. others, yes you need to lead it, in that case, use a dynamic rope. as a new climber should i clarify with the person taking me climbing what type of rope is being used? Yes, but just use a dynamic rope is static primarily used only in indoor-climbing where the rope is permanently set-up? sure i would assume a static rope wouldn't be used in an out-door situation..but as i've learned so many times before: don't assume Hauling and Rapping or if you really want to TRing sorry for all the questions lol..thanks for any and all info! ps: i just got my first harness and accessories this weekend! can't wait to use them! *happy dance* haha Check with your gym what they use if you are really worried and take a class or two there.
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shockabuku
Apr 28, 2008, 5:11 PM
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Top ropes can be set from the top of cliffs without leading if the cliff allows you to walk to the top. If you're looking to get a rope for climbing, get a dynamic rope. Would I make sure that the rope is dynamic before I lead on it? Yep, but unless you're out with a complete noob it shouldn't be an issue.
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Apr 28, 2008, 5:12 PM
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abbadab wrote: hello again, so i was doing my "climbing homework" and reading the articles on the homepage and came across the section on Ropes. i had been under the impression that all climbers used dynamic ropes, but about static ropes the article said: "These are primarily used for rappelling, top-roping and hauling gear, however should NEVER be used for lead climbing" so my question is: how could it be used in top-roping if it should not be used in lead-climbing? doesn't one person have to lead-climb in order to set up a top-rope? as a new climber should i clarify with the person taking me climbing what type of rope is being used? is static primarily used only in indoor-climbing where the rope is permanently set-up? i would assume a static rope wouldn't be used in an out-door situation..but as i've learned so many times before: don't assume sorry for all the questions lol..thanks for any and all info! ps: i just got my first harness and accessories this weekend! can't wait to use them! *happy dance* haha Well to answer the question about how someone gets the rope up,lol. On some climbs, there is a walk up so you set the top rope anchor, rapp off, and then top-rope. Either way I still wouldnt consider buying a static, you are gonna get into leading sooner or later, might as well use a dynamic rope. Thats y most gyms only carry dynamic ropes. They can be used to top or lead. Unless u climb with a rapp freak, you shouldnt worry about climbing with someone who uses a static. Still for ur peace of mind, ask. I dont know why someone would want to haul a static to a climbing area? Maybe if he is cleaning or setting up a route? well jus my 2 cents. Lates -Sin Flame on!
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 5:17 PM
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shrug7 wrote: abbadab wrote: hello again, so i was doing my "climbing homework" and reading the articles on the homepage and came across the section on Ropes. i had been under the impression that all climbers used dynamic ropes, but about static ropes the article said: "These are primarily used for rappelling, top-roping and hauling gear, however should NEVER be used for lead climbing" so my question is: how could it be used in top-roping if it should not be used in lead-climbing? doesn't one person have to lead-climb in order to set up a top-rope? Taking a lead fall is WAY different from a TR fall. a lead fall can be far...very far. Spend some time learning about leading and you'll understand why. TR falls generally and just kinda like "sitting down" (if your belayer is paying attention anyway). Depends on the area, some areas you can walk above and set an anchor. others, yes you need to lead it, in that case, use a dynamic rope. as a new climber should i clarify with the person taking me climbing what type of rope is being used? Yes, but just use a dynamic rope is static primarily used only in indoor-climbing where the rope is permanently set-up? sure i would assume a static rope wouldn't be used in an out-door situation..but as i've learned so many times before: don't assume Hauling and Rapping or if you really want to TRing sorry for all the questions lol..thanks for any and all info! ps: i just got my first harness and accessories this weekend! can't wait to use them! *happy dance* haha Check with your gym what they use if you are really worried and take a class or two there. ah, i see. thank you! i didn't think about the option of being able to walk to the top of the cliff to set it all up. this isn't something i'm worried about..more just curious. i wish i did have a climbing gym here..but no such luck in this rinky-dink town
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To answer your first question: No. Top ropes can be set up by scrambling up the side of a crag and setting an anchor at the top. There are situations, however, where someone with lead skills has to lead a route in order to set a top rope up. Question two: Clarificaiton would show your involvement. However I woulnd't come out with a statement about static vs. dynamic ropes. I'd tactfully word it into a question so that the person who is taking you could answer it and maybe explain it more. Quesiton three: Static rope is used based on usage. Most climbers that I know carry mostly dynamic. Anyone else...
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 5:25 PM
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i will always try to respect those who are taking the time to teach me and i always try to be tactful in any question i may have.. that being said, i love a good sense of humor and can fully appreciate sarcasm as i know my questions may incite alot of it
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 28, 2008, 5:35 PM
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Did you get a toproping harness? If you got a sport/trad harness you are gonna have to return it. Take it back to your gear shop and ask for a toproping specific harness. Also, you can use a grappeling hook or a ladder to reach the top of a climb in order to set up topropes.
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 5:48 PM
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i got mine outta the clearance bin..its just two rubberbands attached to a belt..but i was assured that its "UIAA certified" a ladder eh? should i haul it to the rock with a static or dynamic rope?
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 28, 2008, 6:02 PM
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ahhhh...you are learning fast.....but what belay device are you gonna use? Better start a thread to ask...... Oh, and you got "accesories" for your harness? Matching necklace?
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climbingaggie03
Apr 28, 2008, 6:08 PM
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You don't need a belay device, just use your foot, ask Curt about that one...
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 28, 2008, 6:13 PM
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She needs to learn the standard Seneca toe belay also:
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 6:16 PM
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nah, the store threw one in with my harness..steel paperclips..i know steel is heavier, but one can never be too careful with safety!
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 6:19 PM
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LOL!! isn't climbing about being pretty? i surely wouldnt want to end up on the "worst dressed" list in the climbing magazine
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 6:22 PM
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WVUCLMBR wrote: She needs to learn the standard Seneca toe belay also: [image]http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/bnew4u2/DSCN0278.jpg[/image] i'll make sure to ask about this technique..
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Apr 28, 2008, 6:23 PM
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WVUCLMBR wrote: Did you get a toproping harness? If you got a sport/trad harness you are gonna have to return it. Take it back to your gear shop and ask for a toproping specific harness. Also, you can use a grappeling hook or a ladder to reach the top of a climb in order to set up topropes. Comedy tip: It's not funny if you use the same kind of joke for the second time in a week.
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abbadab
Apr 28, 2008, 6:32 PM
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Rocknovice wrote: WVUCLMBR wrote: Did you get a toproping harness? If you got a sport/trad harness you are gonna have to return it. Take it back to your gear shop and ask for a toproping specific harness. Also, you can use a grappeling hook or a ladder to reach the top of a climb in order to set up topropes. Comedy tip: It's not funny if you use the same kind of joke for the second time in a week. LOL did he use this one on you?
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bizarrodrinker
Apr 28, 2008, 6:43 PM
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Rocknovice wrote: WVUCLMBR wrote: Did you get a toproping harness? If you got a sport/trad harness you are gonna have to return it. Take it back to your gear shop and ask for a toproping specific harness. Also, you can use a grappeling hook or a ladder to reach the top of a climb in order to set up topropes. Comedy tip: It's not funny if you use the same kind of joke for the second time in a week. Damn are those teeth I am seeing?
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Rocknovice
Apr 28, 2008, 6:50 PM
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I'm just mad he almost tricked me with the grappling hook thing last week!
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 28, 2008, 6:57 PM
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WVUCLMBR......trickin n00bs since i was 2. She also fell for the "close your eyes and open your mouth" trick.
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Rocknovice
Apr 28, 2008, 7:00 PM
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WVUCLMBR wrote: WVUCLMBR......trickin n00bs since i was 2. She also fell for the "close your eyes and open your mouth" trick. Too bad I had to ask you if you had put it in yet and you said yes, about a minute ago...
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Apr 28, 2008, 7:03 PM
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DAMN!!!
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Rocknovice
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My bark is worse than my bite.
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WVUCLMBR
Apr 28, 2008, 7:20 PM
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Sorry, my dik is allergic to butterface.
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