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Poll: Prefered Ascender System
2 hand held Jugs 16 / 84%
1 hand held Jug and Gri-Gri (frog system) 3 / 16%
1 Hand held Jug and 1 croll type ascender 0 / 0%
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climbingaggie03


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So I'm planning on doing my first walls this fall and I'm wondering which system for jugging people like and why. I've used two jumars before, and I've used a jumar and a gri-gri. I think I lean towards using 2 ascenders, but I like the ability to go up and down with a gri-gri, and I like the extra security (mostly mental) of a gri-gri. However the Frog system wears me out.


coastal_climber


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I use 2 jugs, connected with a short daisy, with an aider per jug.

>Cam


anthonypmason


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I prefer to use one acsender with pulley and gri-gri, however I have found that when cleaning a roof 2 acsenders work best for me.
So when I come to a roof I clip my second acsender on and break down my pulley, then clean once I am over that hurdle i recconect my pulley and up I go .
This system has allowed me to ascend 150 foot of line in about 20 minutes at a relaxed pace, Whereas using two jumars can really spank me.
Anthony


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Two handled ascenders, with a grigri backup underneath that when cleaning.

Sure, it can be a bit of a PITA before you've got enough rope below you to pull itself through the grigri, but once you get into the routine of it, IMHO it can't be beat for most situations.

You're already set for lower-outs, it will backup your ascenders, and can prove handy sometimes when trying to move past a piece when your plumb-line is a bit farther away than you'd thought.

I still tie into the end of the rope when possible though.


climbingaggie03


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I don't understand the pulley and ascender combo, how does that work?


andrewbanandrew


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almost as good as majid


majid_sabet


May 6, 2008, 12:07 AM
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andrewbanandrew wrote:

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ascender*******pulley
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almost as good as majid

may be


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skiclimb


May 6, 2008, 12:08 AM
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2 jugs 2 adjustable daisies is by far the most adaptable setup for walls..as angle changes or traversese are needed or you find yourself in od convuluted terrain.. you can quickly adjust this to fit the situation... once good at it you can fly along.


The one place the frog system works better is direct overhanging terrain. However withthe 2 jug 2 adjustable daisies you can quicky convert to a near frog system almost instantly.


styndall


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You've got your poll labeled wrong. The 'one handled jug and a grigri' option isn't the frog system. That is the one I like the best, though. Being connected to jugs by daisies with nothing else makes me really nervous, and the grigri is a nice security blanket.


skiclimb


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whats funny about this is that I grew up doing this stuff b4 gri-gris and i tend to trust my ascenders more than a gri-gri..
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climbingaggie03


May 6, 2008, 8:22 AM
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Ok, I think I get it, what's the advantage of the pulley? Getting to pull down with your right hand instead of up?


justinboening


May 6, 2008, 10:43 AM
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The advantage of the pulley is mechanical advantage. You don't haul your bag hand over hand, do you?


pmyche


May 6, 2008, 10:46 AM
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climbingaggie03


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So, I don't understand the set up of a pulley then, If you have the pulley clipped to the bottom of the jug, and the rope running from the gri-gri to the pulley and down, then all the pulley is doing is redirecting the rope. Unless I'm missing something.

And no, I don't haul hand over hand, I hire porters for that.


justinboening


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Are you pulling my leg? The rope goes from its fixed point at the top anchor, through your ascender, through your gri-gri, and then back up through a pulley fixed to the bottom of the ascender. It's a Z-drag! (although there is quite a bit of friction with the gri-gri in the system)


climbingaggie03


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you're right, I just couldn't see it until I set it up. It sure seems cumbersome though.


andrewbanandrew


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eh it's used quite often for routesetting and while not nearly as intense as bigwall climbing, you do spend a lot of time going up, and down, and up, and down, and up...


moof


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As usual, it depends.

Free hanging vertical fixed line: Chestbox, two jugs on 7-8 mm lines to foot stirrups. It doesn't get much more efficent. Gri-gri or mini-traxion off belay loop as backup.

Slabby cleaning: 2 jugs in running man mode. gri-gri as backup.

Traversy cleaning: 1 jug, and gr-gri. Same setup as slabby, but one jug is removed for hte travery section and is stowed on harness.

Overhung: 1 jug, gri-gri in 2:1 mode.

Third tether is key to not losing gear on overhung and traversing clean jobs. Best to be clipped into gear before you pop the rope loose!


kristoffer


May 9, 2008, 3:20 PM
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Totally agree with stymingersfink.. two jugs rigged in the traditional orientation backed up with a gri-gri. Simple, fast and efficient.. But different strokes for different folks..

stymingersfink wrote:
Two handled ascenders, with a grigri backup underneath that when cleaning.

Sure, it can be a bit of a PITA before you've got enough rope below you to pull itself through the grigri, but once you get into the routine of it, IMHO it can't be beat for most situations.

You're already set for lower-outs, it will backup your ascenders, and can prove handy sometimes when trying to move past a piece when your plumb-line is a bit farther away than you'd thought.

I still tie into the end of the rope when possible though.


brutusofwyde


May 11, 2008, 12:36 PM
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kristoffer wrote:
Totally agree with stymingersfink.. two jugs rigged in the traditional orientation backed up with a gri-gri. Simple, fast and efficient.. But different strokes for different folks..

I like this system, with the following tweaks: Adjustable daisys to the jugs, and clipped (rather than hooked) into Russian Aiders.

And yes, tied into rope end when possible.

Brutus


flamer


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pmyche wrote:
climbingaggie03 wrote:
...what's the advantage of the pulley?


1) Being able to wall climb while too weak to even stand upright on a fixed line without a mechanical advantage rig.

2) Having tons of time to see the beautiful sights.

Cool

Snicker...I always love seeing these threads.

josh


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