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Rafajaman
Jul 4, 2008, 2:17 AM
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Yes, another damn Alien forum.
I am just wondering why practically nobody(REI, MGEAR, ACME, MY GYM, ETC., ETC.) sells Aliens anymore if they have supposedly 'fixed' the brazing problem.... I am looking to buy small cams and I am aware that Aliens are the best, yet I have been iffy about purchasing them because of the recall, even though they are apparently all fine now. Why doesn't anyone sell them then??
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Rafajaman
Jul 4, 2008, 2:32 AM
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I meant major retailers.
I am aware mtntools.com, bentgate.com, etc. sell them.
I am curios as to why many popular gear retailers are not selling them.
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zeke_sf
Jul 4, 2008, 2:38 AM
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Liability? Who gives a fuck. If you want them you can get them and be cool.
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Rafajaman
Jul 4, 2008, 2:42 AM
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Oh right.... I forgot being cool is more important than trusting my gear will save my life. sorry.
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zeke_sf
Jul 4, 2008, 2:54 AM
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Exactly. Be cool and buy from those "indie" suppliers.
If you don't trust the aliens, don't buy them. Aliens are great but they are not indispensable by a long shot.
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MikeSaint
Jul 4, 2008, 2:54 AM
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Rafa,
My guess would be that most major retailers would like to stand behind products they believe in. If doubt has been placed in the retailer and marketing, it stands to reason why Aliens have been pulled.
However, you shouldnt (always) assume something is safe because a major retailer sells it. Look at BPA Nalgene- everyone is dieing left and right while growing big fat titties. Aliens EXPLODE when you pull the lobes back 
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leapinlizard
Jul 4, 2008, 3:11 AM
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I believe REI does carry CCH, but if you look at what they are currently selling, they really do not have much in the way of a selection of climbing pro.
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joeforte
Jul 4, 2008, 3:37 AM
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Yeah, yuppie EMS sells them, and they are a major retailer, so you are safe to buy them.
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curt
Jul 4, 2008, 4:15 AM
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Indeed. I sold mine. 
Curt
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jt512
Jul 4, 2008, 5:09 AM
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Rafajaman wrote: Yes, another damn Alien forum. I am just wondering why practically nobody(REI, MGEAR, ACME, MY GYM, ETC., ETC.) sells Aliens anymore if they have supposedly 'fixed' the brazing problem.... I am looking to buy small cams and I am aware that Aliens are the best, yet I have been iffy about purchasing them because of the recall, even though they are apparently all fine now. Why doesn't anyone sell them then??
I know it's terribly hard, but if you do a fucking search, you'll see that it is not clear that they have fixed the problem.
Jay
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Valarc
Jul 4, 2008, 6:36 AM
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jt512 wrote: I know it's terribly hard, but if you do a fucking search, you'll see that it is not clear that they have fixed the problem. Jay
Blame Rock and Ice - last issue there was an "ask gear guy" question about this, and their highly informed gear guy assured everyone that Aliens are fine and dandy now, completely oblivious of the numerous post-recall and stamped-tested failures that have occurred.
Outstanding reporting that's going to get someone hurt or killed.
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Valarc
Jul 4, 2008, 6:38 AM
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leapinlizard wrote: I believe REI does carry CCH, but if you look at what they are currently selling, they really do not have much in the way of a selection of climbing pro.
REI clearanced the shit out of their Aliens when they started failing AGAIN after the recall.
I was tempted to pick up a few when they were marked at 8 bucks a cam - they would make nice Christmas tree ornaments.
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scuclimber
Jul 4, 2008, 7:48 AM
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You gon' die! 
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sungam
Jul 4, 2008, 9:28 AM
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Valarc wrote: I was tempted to pick up a few when they were marked at 8 bucks a cam - they would make nice Christmas tree ornaments.
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angry
Jul 4, 2008, 9:39 AM
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Which to stick your dick in?
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You fucking weird ass brits!!
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granite_grrl
Jul 4, 2008, 4:12 PM
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Rafajaman wrote: I meant major retailers. I am aware mtntools.com, bentgate.com, etc. sell them. I am curios as to why many popular gear retailers are not selling them.
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kriso9tails
Jul 4, 2008, 4:25 PM
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MikeSaint wrote: Rafa, My guess would be that most major retailers would like to stand behind products they believe in. If doubt has been placed in the retailer and marketing, it stands to reason why Aliens have been pulled.
I'd wager, the more likely reason is that distribution needs weren't being met. I'm pretty sure the company I work for stopped selling them before any of the recalls, and we're almost certainly the largest gear retailer in Canadia.
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wolfdog
Jul 4, 2008, 6:19 PM
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In my way of thinking which may or may not be inline with other people, I would use Aliens for aid climbing where you need to make specialized placements and allot of them, and use "regular" cams for free climbing. As Aliens work better where Camalots don't
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moof
Jul 4, 2008, 6:57 PM
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CCH has yet to do a proper accounting of either what went wrong, or exactly how it has been properly resolved.
3\Multiple quality issues came up, ranging from mis-drilling, poor braze joints, mis-loading of cam lobes, etc. Without coming out and making it clear what the problems were, and how they satisfactorily fixed them (with statistics, or independent review to back them up) then it is just CCH saying it's "OK".
I love the aliens I have, but don't plan on buying anymore till I see a full accounting. A stupid drop test rig, and a one of braze joint test by an outside lab are useless and irrelevant.
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Rafajaman
Jul 4, 2008, 7:03 PM
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Valarc wrote: leapinlizard wrote: I believe REI does carry CCH, but if you look at what they are currently selling, they really do not have much in the way of a selection of climbing pro. REI clearanced the shit out of their Aliens when they started failing AGAIN after the recall. I was tempted to pick up a few when they were marked at 8 bucks a cam - they would make nice Christmas tree ornaments.
So the problem hasn't been fully fixed I'm hearing? Maybe that answers my question. Thanks.
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justroberto
Jul 4, 2008, 7:12 PM
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Rafajaman wrote: Valarc wrote: leapinlizard wrote: I believe REI does carry CCH, but if you look at what they are currently selling, they really do not have much in the way of a selection of climbing pro. REI clearanced the shit out of their Aliens when they started failing AGAIN after the recall. I was tempted to pick up a few when they were marked at 8 bucks a cam - they would make nice Christmas tree ornaments. So the problem hasn't been fully fixed I'm hearing? Maybe that answers my question. Thanks.
Once again, do a fucking search. It's right there in the upper right corner of yuor screen. Use it! It's your friend. That's why it's there. Please, for the love of good just do a search. The answer is within your grasp. Just do it...
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justroberto
Jul 4, 2008, 7:19 PM
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Hey look! When I search "alien" I get two of your threads!
It just occured to me:
Perhaps you weren't around here for the maelstrom of post-recall failure reports that showed up here and on ST. It's understandable you wouldn't think to look for them.
Search "Alien Failure," click on the first post, and scroll down to the very bottom of the first page. You'll find what you're looking for there.
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Rafajaman
Jul 4, 2008, 7:46 PM
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justroberto wrote: Hey look! When I search "alien" I get two of your threads! It just occured to me: Perhaps you weren't around here for the maelstrom of post-recall failure reports that showed up here and on ST. It's understandable you wouldn't think to look for them. Search "Alien Failure," click on the first post, and scroll down to the very bottom of the first page. You'll find what you're looking for there.
I'm glad that occurred to you, as I have not been climbing very long and was unaware of the maelstrom of post-recall failure reports. Thanks.
And to all of you that yell at people for not doing a "fucking search" or whatever it is that you get so upset about, get a life. Really, it's time to grow up.
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