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Ok, here's the deal, I'm looking for foods that will contribute to a diet that will help climbers perform/recover better.
I know all about the 'eat whatever and climb 5.14d' routine, but that's not what I'm looking for.

I want to compile a list of foods for each meal that are good for a climbing lifestyle. Rather than set out a specific diet for monday, tues, wed, etc I want to be able to pick from a list of ideal breakfast/lunch/dinner/snack foods.
If you have a good training food, then hook me up with the beta. I want to know whether it's a snack, breakfast, lunch or dinner food, whether it's a good climbing day food or rest/recovery day food, and why this food is beneficial for a training athlete, ie. vitamins, carbs, fats etc.

example:

Cake
Breakfast food on climbing days.
Loaded with sugars for quick power, lots of vitamin X to prevent carbolic acid buildup. Cake inside is loaded with carbohydrate goodness to keep you warm and fuzzy on cold climbing days.

Thanks in advance

Oh, and if the food is something like tuna suprise, give up the recipe so I know how to make it



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Fiend look at the "How to climb 5.12" and "Flash Training" books by Eric Horst.


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I've read through both of those, I want some options from other people as well.


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A guy that's been mountaineering for 15+ years told me that vitamin B12 prevents sewing machine leg. Tried it out and it seemed to be true. I'm not a nutritionist so I have no idea what foods these can be found in. I use the supplement.


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Leucine (contained in protein products like meat & dairy), and carbs have a direct impact on skeletal muscle, but only after excersise or climbing. Food with high GI (glycemic index) is great for recovery. Some of these foods include:
Banana and honey Sandwich
Raisins
Low fat biscuits
Golden Grahams
Cheerios
Cornflakes
Rice Krispies
Pineapple (this is really awesome on the grill)
Potato, mashed or baked
French fries
Mars Bar
Mac & Cheese
Muesli Bars
For Pre Climbing to aid performance, foods with a low GI are considered the best. These include:
Rice Bran
Barley
Grapefruit
Pears
Plums
Apples
Yogurt (lowfat with either artificial or fruit sugar sweetner)
Milk (skim or all fat)
Peanuts
M&M's w/ Peanuts
Fettuccine
Spaghetti (full meal)

I did a little research on this sbj. hope it helps, you can probably combine the foods to make a particular dish. Climb on.

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On really long days like when I am doing a long trad route or an aid route I find that either jolly ranchers or starburst ar every good to much on. Just watch out so you don't drop the wrappers. Sucking on them seems to keep you from getting dry mouth.


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Skittles and Red Bull.

WARNING: Do not take continuously for longer than 10 days without consulting your Doctor!!


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Well, I read somewhere that Chris Sharma, while working on the Biographie Extention now entitled Realisation, he had a diet of raw eggs before each climb. Now, I personally wouldn't do this, but maybe it has some kind of nutticional value...

Before a climb, I usually have some cerial (I know that it sounds funny, but it does improve my peroformance a little bit! Preferably Honey Nut Cheerios! ) During the actual climb though, that is, between routes, I usually bring such foods as Granola Bars, or Chocolate Bars and of course Power Bars.

If it's 'real meals' you are looking for though, I can't really help you, there's not really a special routine I have for eating certain foods before a climb. Sorry dude!

-Pat.


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As a general rule, I eat high carb and protein when climbing for long periods of time. i.e potatos, rice, or pasta all w/ meat the night before I climb for slow burning fuel.

While climbing, high sugar foods for the fast burning fuel. i.e. apples, banans, cookies, candy, & 'cheap-o-rade'.

While recouperating, high protien to build the muscle back. i.e. tuna, beef, tuna, chicken, tuna, pork, tuna, eggs, & tuna.


This taken from Climbing mag I think:
'Cheap-o-Rade' (homemade Gatorade)
1 gallon Water
1 packet unsweetened Kool-Aid
1 cup sugar
1 teaspoon salt
Cost: $.59 as compared to over $4 for Gatorade.

I put these in 1/2 gallon Gatorade bottles slung with webbing into the freezer for cold drink all day long.


rrrADAM
p.s. Oh yea, did I mention tuna ???


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for a whole days climbing..
..i tend to just eat a rather large breakfast, nothing special. ..but i try eating carbs, be it nutri-grain or cornflakes or something. about an hour before i start climbing i eat a powerbar, during the day i eat a sandwich, banana, i try to still eat alot of carbs but start focusing on protein too. just after i finish for the day i eat protein, either proteinplus power bars or some other protein supplement. when i get to civilization i try to eat a steak or something heavy. i havnt really put on much muscle though so i guess this isnt working too well, but im climbing and im happy.


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 Well the key is never get to fanatical with a diet. I am a certified nutritional consultant and see people going crazy with fad diets all the time. People should avoid any high protein diets often thought to be great for the athelete at building muscle. While protein is the key to building muscle anything over 15% or so of the diet is unnecessary and can be dangerous to the kidneys at high levels. Raw eggs like Sharma supposedly eats is also a huge NO NO. Aside from the nutritional value which is good, the main problem with this is that you open yourself up to Salmonella infections. (Another reason why people are told to not lick the bowl of brownie and cake mix containing raw eggs.) And since I myself have had salmonella i suggest you avoid eating raw eggs, it isnt a fun illness. Basically people should stick to the basics, such as foods that contain low amounts of fat. If you cook, cook with extra virgin olive oil instead of things like canola oil, which were originally designed to be lubricants instead of edible oils. An important thing is to try to avoid anything artificial such as food dyes and such, artificial sweeteners etc, and preservatives. Without going into why, im sure most people can figure out how these chemicals are horrible for the body. So sorry but the m&m's with peanuts are bad. The thing to do is to try to eat organic whenever possible without turning into a fanatic. Moderation is the key word with diet. Nothing extreme is ever beneficial. Anyway as far as joints and tendons go, there have been many studies done about the benefits of cod liver oil in joint and tendon maintainance and healing. As disgusting as cod liver oil is it is good for climbers to look into especially since joints and tendons suffer so much as a result of hard climbing.


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Ok, just to clarify, I don't want info on 'special fat burning low cal high protien diet' diets. Diet is still a term for what we eat everyday and I just want to compile a list of foods that are good performance & recovery foods.

And I would like nutritional information if you got it, I don't see Red Bull and skittles working for my needs

This is mostly just research but I do want to implement some of this into my lifestyle. I know all about eating what your body tells you it wants, but I do want to get away from chemical crap. Just cause my body tells me I want a mountain dew doesn't mean that I need to put that crap into me. Grocery stores stock more and more unnatural products these days and I want to get some tasty and beneficial alternatives.


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I can't believe what people eat on road trips. You suffer enough while climbing and sleeping in the dirt-enjoy your meals!

Buy a Weber, a few bags of charcoal, and fill a cooler full of New York Strips and you are in business. I recommend soaking some mesquite or hickory chips in water for 20 minutes and tossing it in the Weber for a nice smoky flavor. I usually bring two grills-one for the meat and one for grilling corn on the cob, onions or peppers wrapped in tin foil, and veggie-kebabs with mushrooms, arugula, and other good stuff. The prepackaged salad bags are also good for road trips.

You wouldn't believe the reactions you get when eating a perfect New York Strp, fresh grilled corn, and a caeser salad. The dirtbags who travel for three weeks eating nothing but bagels and ketchup packets from fast food restaurants stare in awe at the Webers.

Bringing another cooler full of good beer goes without saying of course.

If this makes you fat, you need to start climbing at areas with a good long approach. Any climbing area with an approach that takes less than an hour of steep uphill hiking is really just a gym.


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My favorite combination while climbing long trad routes is mini carrots, licorice (sp?), and BIG Capri Sun. It tastes sooooooo YUMMY and it's not too heavy.


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