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brachialis
Aug 5, 2008, 6:00 AM
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Maybe they're the same phenomenon, but after recently sustaining a finger injury myself I re-researched this, and MacLeod refers to it as the 'Lewis Reaction'.
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onceahardman
Aug 5, 2008, 7:11 PM
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brachialis wrote: Maybe they're the same phenomenon, but after recently sustaining a finger injury myself I re-researched this, and MacLeod refers to it as the 'Lewis Reaction'.
Well, maybe. But when I tried searching "Lewis Reaction", all I get is Lewis acid/base theory (electron pair donors=Lewis acids), and reactions to books by C.S. Lewis. "Hunter's response", on the other hand, seems to be more mainstream.
If you have any more insight, I'm open to learning at all times.
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bender
Aug 6, 2008, 4:31 AM
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lets see now,
each of my ring finger tendon pulls has cost me 4 to 8 months isolation regiment before i could even think of opening the car door safely; let alone climbing on them
both a hyper extended shoulder joint on the crestone traverse and a hyper extended achillies on the approach to the wunch diherdral left me 7 years of antoginistic pain to put to bed
what was bothering you again???
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kyote321
Aug 6, 2008, 5:08 AM
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gripstik.com
it has worked for all my crew. i use it religiously.
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onceahardman
Aug 6, 2008, 5:50 PM
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In reply to: lets see now, each of my ring finger tendon pulls has cost me 4 to 8 months isolation regiment before i could even think of opening the car door safely; let alone climbing on them both a hyper extended shoulder joint on the crestone traverse and a hyper extended achillies on the approach to the wunch diherdral left me 7 years of antoginistic pain to put to bed what was bothering you again???
The context of my conversation was the "Hunter's Response", in which externally applied cold leads to a reflexive increase in cutaneous blood flow.
I'm not sure why that caused you to spray about your own injuries, as well as the routes upon which they unfortunately occurred.
In any case, I doubt you'd want to trade your history of injuries for mine. Osteochondritis dessicans of the right knee X 40 years, which continues to destroy the joint, causes pain every minute of every day, and will someday require a total knee replacement. Recurrent bilateral shoulder (glenohumeral) dislocations, >100 times on the right, >50 times on the left. My right shoulder has dislocated while I have been leading trad routes, which could have ended badly. Grade III right shoulder AC seperation. Left knee torn meniscus. Bilateral 3rd and 4th digit pulley injuries. Torn right long head biceps. Cervical spine herniated disk, with neurological weakness left C7 myotome.
So that's "what's bothering me", but it's off-topic.
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brachialis
Aug 7, 2008, 7:41 AM
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onceahardman wrote: Well, maybe. But when I tried searching "Lewis Reaction", all I get is Lewis acid/base theory (electron pair donors=Lewis acids), and reactions to books by C.S. Lewis. "Hunter's response", on the other hand, seems to be more mainstream. If you have any more insight, I'm open to learning at all times.
Search for 'cold-induced vasodilation' instead. I'm having trouble finding a claim about the diameter of the blood vessels during this state relative to baseline diameter (i.e., under warm conditions).
But the like ears or the nose in cold air, the fingers in cold water eventually come to feel quite hot. Of course this is only a subjective sensation of warmth, but my hunch is that after the initial constriction stage, exposure to cold induces vasodilation beyond the baseline level.
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stymingersfink
Aug 7, 2008, 2:46 PM
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brachialis wrote: onceahardman wrote: Well, maybe. But when I tried searching "Lewis Reaction", all I get is Lewis acid/base theory (electron pair donors=Lewis acids), and reactions to books by C.S. Lewis. "Hunter's response", on the other hand, seems to be more mainstream. If you have any more insight, I'm open to learning at all times. Search for 'cold-induced vasodilation' instead. I'm having trouble finding a claim about the diameter of the blood vessels during this state relative to baseline diameter (i.e., under warm conditions). But the like ears or the nose in cold air, the fingers in cold water eventually come to feel quite hot. Of course this is only a subjective sensation of warmth, but my hunch is that after the initial constriction stage, exposure to cold induces vasodilation beyond the baseline level.
Inhaled delta9tetrahydracannabinol is, IMHO, a far better vasodilator than any cold-pack application. This is not to say the two can't be applied concurrently.
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tom123
Aug 14, 2008, 8:13 AM
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ya, i can help you. if you can provide information about the elbow injury.
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climbinganne
Aug 15, 2008, 5:58 AM
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did somebody say...
go see a real doctor, i only lay one on the internet???
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stymingersfink
Aug 15, 2008, 6:33 AM
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climbinganne wrote: did somebody say... go see a real doctor, i only lay one on the internet???
got a link to the video?
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irregularpanda
Aug 15, 2008, 9:52 AM
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aerili wrote: Hi brachialis, I actually have a degree in this area as well, including a fair amount of experience administering ice treatments on patients with a variety of sports med injuries.
I actually have a question for you then:
- I have an overuse injury, CT based, and tendinitis is part of it. What I do is hold my arms out above my head, or to the sides, and open and close my hands quickly for as long as possible, just to get blood flowing.
Then I use a weight (3-5 lbs) and simply do slow negative @ the elbow, up and down. I also use the weight (in hand) to simply twist my wrist back and forth.
- What do you think about these methods to shunt blood to my forearms in terms of tendinitis healing?
Thanks.
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onceahardman
Aug 15, 2008, 7:12 PM
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I know you wrote to aerili, but I thought I'd chime in anyway.
In reply to: I have an overuse injury, CT based,
CT=carpal tunnel?
Tendinitis of a finger flexor tendon could certainly cause swelling within the carpal tunnel.
In reply to: What do you think about these methods to shunt blood to my forearms in terms of tendinitis healing?
I like exercise for increasing blood flow to muscle groups. That concept is well-supported in PT and exercise physiology.
As a PT, though, even though I like the theory and your application of it, the question I'd ask is, "How have your symptoms responded to your treatment?"
Sometimes, you can be quite sure of your assessment, and have confidence in your treatment, but the patient just doesn't respond. How are you doing with your treatment protocol? You may need to alter it, do your exercises more often (or less often), or increase/decrease resistance.
In any event, it's pretty clear exercise increases deep blood flow moreso than externally applied heat or cold, so my opinion is, you are on the right track.
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sungam
Aug 15, 2008, 11:55 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: climbinganne wrote: did somebody say... go see a real doctor, i only lay one on the internet??? got a link to the video?
You are on FIRE in this thread!
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stymingersfink
Aug 16, 2008, 1:58 AM
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sungam wrote: stymingersfink wrote: climbinganne wrote: did somebody say... go see a real doctor, i only lay one on the internet??? got a link to the video? STY! You are on FIRE in this thread!
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bradley3297
Aug 16, 2008, 3:13 AM
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sorry to say you needs 6 weeks down time to heal that.
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