Do you really believe that's what that feature is?

*drip drip*

on a serious note, I saved 67 sick seal pups from clubbers. Just throwin that out there.

That was YOU?! I swear, man, you deprive me of my baby-seal-fur money one more time, and I'll beat your ass with a camalot and then shove it up your anus in a totally non-gay way!!!

DUH!
Come on, he trad climbs. Obviously you are just a bunch of bolt clipping pussies who can't climb a perfect splitter to save yourselves, so you put teh reel bolts in to make it easy and that, right?

That's about as intelligent a post as I would expect from someone who would wait at the top of a route for someone who was bolting on rappel.

It's a no brainer - if it's protectable with gear then chop, chop - the sooner the better....

I had to post it. The thread was screaming out for this picture. It took three days to get a response. I was beginning to lose faith.

Jay

I have, acutally. It is more run out, eh? It's been a few years, and I was just there for 2 days. I just remember being too scared to lead.

Do you really believe that's what that feature is?

*drip drip*

Yea, I'm really fucking stupid and THATS what I think is going on there.

Oh wait, I just know this is a sceme perpetrated by the brilliant... climbsomething

You said it. I didn't.

You said it. I didn't.

"Post up a climbing resume, show us your experience, let us see the amount of your life you've put into climbing. Or shut the fuck up." angry


This almost puts you as the biggest tool in the thread.....but i am curious, oh self appointed almighty authority on who is allowed to have an opinion, what criteria do you use? what exactly is the percentage of life must one have "put into climbing" to be allowed to speak?

The 3 poorly placed 24KN Pagan Gear bolts have been Chopped . The land managers requested the removal of 4 more bolts also in the area (the bolter is following this thread , Please inform RH of this)

I received a post form a man in Oregon. I viewed his photos and checked out his profile, he is on a hemp rope tied around his waist moving through a roof . He is , as are others like him - a true pioneer and deserve our utmost respect . At that time they pushed the limits of their bodied and the limitations of their gear .
Now we have Dynamic lines, wire nuts, S.L.C.D.’s , and numerous other highly effective ways to protect our climbs. Advancements are constantly being made. There are no excuses to go bolting a trad line. That takes away the adventure. Hell; even in sport areas around here. Where I also play. No one is bolting lines that can be protected with gear. There is a set ethic that almost all of us agree with .
Most basic Ethics can be found in many books and guides , one notable “Freedom of the Hills 7th ed”, at the top of the AMGA’s recommended reading list.

What is and is not acceptable?
Lets say someone add a bolt to an established line at the Gunks (High E) . I can say without a doubt , there would be no corner of the world the bolter would be safe in. That person would have taken the adventure away from the classic climb, and directly broke every ethical rule climbers do follow and agree on (if you don’t agree you are not a !rock climber). People come from all over the world to do Trad lines in the USA . Europe is bolted all over , they fukt it up in the 80’s and 90’s . Now there are huge movements to go back to trad on protect able climbs because adequate protection now exists.

Bolts do take away from the mental game.
You should be strong minded when your doing this activity , or you will get fukt.

We train on the boulders to become strong enough to play on routs in the crags. We train on the crags to hone and sharpen our skills- to play on the big walls. How can you learn to find the line when it is given to you , a nice and shiny row of bolts…? Where is the adventure in that? There is no shortcut to this game. If the answers have been given to you ; what have you learned? ? ?

(this specifically directed - you know who you R)
(this ethic is the same as “baseball” there are rules. It is considered bad form- to blast the batter in the nuts. Only an ass hole would stoop so low, and it is punishable…) That is why the bolts were removed and the names were not turned in so that legal action would be taken. This is a legal issue, the bolts were not contracted. There have never been bolts on this land, this already is a touchy area for access, and the land managers can restrict access ... All because some piss head wants to leave his mark by bolting a 5.9 crack. You have a problem with that. Buy the land and bolt away. Let me know how that works out for you….

At least Angry is real in his statement. Some of us dedicate countless hours to this craft so that others can have access to these areas. We build the trails , clean the rock, and when needed -protect the rout. We are the explorers who venture out into the unknown , who see the beauty in the line. You just like to follow the shiny bolts because you would get lost any other way.

I am not a very good writer. I hope this wasn’t too hard to follow.

I’m going climbing to work off this anger….

I'll summarize it for you.
He thinks it is teh ghey to bolt tradable lines, and europe is already screwed, and you should pick me in the cowfee shawp instead of uhoh.

^^^ I'm not reading that.