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kfc6936


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when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]


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The grigri is a belay device. Why would it not be safe to belay with?

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It's a belay device...and you use it as directed by the directions.


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well a grigri is actually quite a good idea for safer climbing, in my opinion. a grigri is simple to use and it is secured directly to you and preferably to a ground anchor at the same time. as your partner climbs you pull the free end of the rope upwards with a hand-over-hand tecnique. all you have to do is keep the slack out of the rope as they climb so that if they do slip they will only drop a couple of inches due to the stretching of the rope which is the way the ropes are made to do. if they are ready to come down you will take the handle that is on the grigri and use it similar to a gas pedal. you will slowly pull the handle allowing the rope to slowly slide through the grigri until they have reached the bottom. and dont worry abot the grigri catching the rope. the way he grigri is designed it tightens up on the rope whenever it is pulled quickly and sharply through the brake mechanism causing the climber to be suspended. i hope that this reply has helped you out and perhaps eased your mind about the grigri. if you want a more hands on approach to learning the grigri, try finding a sports busines that has indoor climbing walls and they should be able to help you out. Wink


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kfc6936 wrote:
when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]
I don't think he/she is asking if the grigri is safe but rather if attaching it to a harness is safe- I'm assuming they previously went to a gym where the grigri was fixed to a bolt or something?
Anyways, the people you see have a fine rig, nothing wrong with a grigri to the harness as long as you know how to use it correctly.


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what i mean is there is some one belaying them self with the grigri sorry for the miss communication they just have the grigri atached to there harness and as they go up they pull the slack out


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kfc6936 wrote:
what i mean is there is some one belaying them self with the grigri sorry for the miss communication they just have the grigri atached to there harness and as they go up they pull the slack out
Seems reasonably safe, however I am very surprised a gym would let people do this- a lotta space for error.


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kfc6936 wrote:
My question is safe....

So this isn't a troll?


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lostsouldier1 wrote:
well a grigri is actually quite a good idea for safer climbing, in my opinion. a grigri is simple to use and it is secured directly to you and preferably to a ground anchor at the same time. as your partner climbs you pull the free end of the rope upwards with a hand-over-hand tecnique. all you have to do is keep the slack out of the rope as they climb so that if they do slip they will only drop a couple of inches due to the stretching of the rope which is the way the ropes are made to do. if they are ready to come down you will take the handle that is on the grigri and use it similar to a gas pedal. you will slowly pull the handle allowing the rope to slowly slide through the grigri until they have reached the bottom. and dont worry abot the grigri catching the rope. the way he grigri is designed it tightens up on the rope whenever it is pulled quickly and sharply through the brake mechanism causing the climber to be suspended. i hope that this reply has helped you out and perhaps eased your mind about the grigri. if you want a more hands on approach to learning the grigri, try finding a sports busines that has indoor climbing walls and they should be able to help you out. Wink

You should really refrain from giving advice until you learn more.


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kfc6936 wrote:
what i mean is there is some one belaying them self with the grigri sorry for the miss communication they just have the grigri atached to there harness and as they go up they pull the slack out

while it may be technically 'safe' in the realm of will the gri-gri work like this- it is not something any gym owner would allow in their gym- the liability is huge, especially given that Petzl does not condone this method of belaying for the device. all gyms should limit use of any device to explicit manufacturer recommendations to avoid potential injuries and lawsuits.


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I have seen route setters do this and only the route setters allowed to do this by the gym management. Backup knots are always used.


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kfc6936 wrote:
what i mean is there is some one belaying them self with the grigri sorry for the miss communication they just have the grigri atached to there harness and as they go up they pull the slack out

Love your sig. "AT" Makes about as much sense as your posts.

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rasoy


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kfc6936 wrote:
when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]

Where the f*ck is it supposed to be attached to?

Do you you even know WTF you're talking about??????


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rasoy wrote:
kfc6936 wrote:
when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]

Where the f*ck is it supposed to be attached to?

Do you you even know WTF you're talking about??????
I believe the OP means top rope soloing with no belayer and the climber self belaying in the gym with the grigri attached to their harness. This is actually quite common among solo climbers although there are better self belaying devices out there and of course not allowed for the general climbing public in a gym although quite common among gym employees for route setting, etc.

It should be noted that many gyms permanently attach grigris to a length of webbing which is then anchored to the floor. The result of this is that gymbies have no idea that it is possible to belay off the harness and always assume that the proper way to belay is with that thing attached to the floor.


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rasoy wrote:
kfc6936 wrote:
when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]

Where the f*ck is it supposed to be attached to?

Do you you even know WTF you're talking about??????

Now man... to be fair, it was a poorly worded question, but I'll just point out that your response is pretty aggro.

I mean, here at rockclimbing.com we usually prefer you have at least 13,900 posts to your name before you start just going off on noobs like that.


rasoy


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Thanks for clearing that upgeezergecko.


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pylonhead wrote:
rasoy wrote:
kfc6936 wrote:
when i go into my gym there always a couple of people who are belaying with the grigri atached to there harnes. My question is safe and how do you do it.:]

Where the f*ck is it supposed to be attached to?

Do you you even know WTF you're talking about??????

Now man... to be fair, it was a poorly worded question, but I'll just point out that your response is pretty aggro.

I mean, here at rockclimbing.com we usually prefer you have at least 13,900 posts to your name before you start just going off on noobs like that.
SHIT! did 10k just become 13k?
I can't keep up with this, specially with a ban from campground.
I'm never gunna gain respect normally, and with the PC gained respect out of the question, it looks like my only chances or TC or shootz self in face :-/


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What did you do in the campground?


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I met a guy one time that had been dropped by his wife more then one time so a Gri Gri was the best set up for them. I also know other people that feel the same way.
There is nothing wrong with using a Gri Gri for your main belay and repel device if you learn how to use it right.


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jmvc wrote:
What did you do in the campground?
pr0n. the banz is only for a week, though, since it was "borderline".


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Just a note:
Our gym allows gri-gris for route setting only. And all setters know to double-anchor and use safety knots periodically.

However, our gym does NOT allow any gri-gri use for belaying for those that climb at our gym. We feel (and have seen over and over and over again) that gyms that use gri-gris do not teach proper belay technique as noobies can pick up a gri-gri and take in the slack easily. This means that they are relying way too much on the device.

In my opinion, gyms that allow noobs to walk in and pick up a gri-gri and belay without proper instruction are doing a disservice to our sport, no matter how good it is for business.


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Maddhatter wrote:
I met a guy one time that had been dropped by his wife more then one time so a Gri Gri was the best set up for them. I also know other people that feel the same way.
There is nothing wrong with using a Gri Gri for your main belay and repel device if you learn how to use it right.
I agree. Although i prefer an ATC our gym lets members use a gri gri. they are a bit more idiot proof and that helps when you are working with a bunch of new belayers and don't have to worry about someone getting dropped every few seconds. the trick is to make sure people use proper technique and understand the differences between a gri gri and an ATC or an eight.


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shockabuku


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Maddhatter wrote:
I met a guy one time that had been dropped by his wife more then one time so a Gri Gri was the best set up for them. I also know other people that feel the same way.
There is nothing wrong with using a Gri Gri for your main belay and repel device if you learn how to use it right.

Maybe nothing wrong with it but face it, using a grigri for a rappel device is considerably more involved than using an ATC unless you're leaving your rope behind. I suspect the ratio of mistakes in threading a grigri vs. an ATC is probably a very large number, and you can just do a quick search and see that the number of people who are dropped hard due to grigris is surprisingly high. This is all because the degree of complexity of a grigri is significantly higher than that of an ATC.

That said, I use a grigri more often than an ATC now, but I spent a considerable amount of time learning and increasing my proficiency with it and had belayed with an ATC for at least ten years before I ever started using a grigri.


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