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wvsupernoob
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In reply to: I heard something about Lance not wanting to go back because his unit was convicted of war crimes and he was going to testify against them and was afraid of them??? Any one have anything on this?
Yes, that's the latest "shocking twist" I've heard too. Last week it was an 'amazing' insurance fraud plot, now it's moved into hollywood territory.
here:
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4448131
And also, http://www.lancehering.com/ is the page his family just put up - featuring 3 heartwarming photos and a blog link.
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krusher4
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When's the movie coming out?
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majid_sabet
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I got some on report, I could posted it if that make a difference.
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timstich
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In reply to: I heard something about Lance not wanting to go back because his unit was convicted of war crimes and he was going to testify against them and was afraid of them??? Any one have anything on this?
Sounds conveniently similar to recent news items involving killed civilians in Iraq. I don't buy it for a second. He was just tired of serving in that war I think. I mean, three tours? That would be enough for anyone.
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majid_sabet
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update 10/10
Authorities have issued an arrest warrant for Hering on a felony charge of failure to comply with terms of a deferred sentence from a 2004 burglary charge and a misdemeanor charge of conspiracy to commit false reporting to authorities.
Powers also was charged with misdemeanor false reporting.
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dynosore
Nov 25, 2008, 5:20 PM
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Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too.
He was just about to turn himself in, right......
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shockabuku
Nov 25, 2008, 5:49 PM
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dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right......
Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime.
In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army).
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reg
Nov 25, 2008, 6:43 PM
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[quote "usmc3073"]In the Marine Corps it is called U/A or Unauthorized Absence. AWOL is an Army term. It is a good thing the Marine is alive, a bad thing that so many were misled. Be wary before making judgments about his motives. Being a Marine is tough by itself, combat is an unspeakable horror most people have no concept of. His friend is a moron and should be prosecuted as well as the Marine once he is caught.
Semper Fi,
A Former Marine[/quote]
no marine active or in-active would call himself a "former" marine - me thinks you speake unthruths
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knieveltech
Nov 25, 2008, 7:17 PM
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anykineclimb wrote: Fucking coward. makes me sick
Then proceed immediately to your local recruiter's office and enlist.
Edited to add: wtf is going on qith quote all of a sudden?
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dingus
Nov 25, 2008, 7:33 PM
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shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army).
George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President.
DMT
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socalclimber
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dingus wrote: shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army). George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President. DMT
Remember Dingus, this guy is probably just middle class white trash, like the rest of us. Bushy-poo and friends/family have money, lots, and lots of money.
Need I say more?
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dingus
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socalclimber wrote: dingus wrote: shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army). George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President. DMT Remember Dingus, this guy is probably just middle class white trash, like the rest of us. Bushy-poo and friends/family have money, lots, and lots of money. Need I say more?
No you didn't have to say it at all. Even the former Bush supporters on this site STFU'd a long, long time ago.
I feel sorry for the kid, to an extent. I feel no sympathy at in some other respects. I'm quite conflicted by it all!
Cheers
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shockabuku
Nov 25, 2008, 8:53 PM
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dingus wrote: socalclimber wrote: dingus wrote: shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army). George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President. DMT Remember Dingus, this guy is probably just middle class white trash, like the rest of us. Bushy-poo and friends/family have money, lots, and lots of money. Need I say more? No you didn't have to say it at all. Even the former Bush supporters on this site STFU'd a long, long time ago. I feel sorry for the kid, to an extent. I feel no sympathy at in some other respects. I'm quite conflicted by it all! Cheers DMT
Ain't.
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rockie
Nov 25, 2008, 9:51 PM
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knieveltech wrote: anykineclimb wrote: Fucking coward. makes me sick Then proceed immediately to your local recruiter's office and enlist. Edited to add: wtf is going on qith quote all of a sudden?
Why would he have to do that??
He didn't sign up, the other idiot did and therefore had to comply and fight for his country, I don't see many idiots in the U.K forces acting like this moron and they'd all agree he's an idiot.
He's right, the guys a coward, and deserves all punishment he got/ had coming to him. Prat.
Edited to add: As was his Dad and his friend, and anyone else that helped him, idiots, and if you really believe he was about to turn himself in.. emm yer right? lol.
If he was going to turn himself in he'd have done that when it first happened; in 2006?
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angry
Nov 25, 2008, 9:54 PM
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Isn't desertion during wartime call for the death penalty? Or is that just a rumor?
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rockie
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angry wrote: Isn't desertion during wartime call for the death penalty? Or is that just a rumor?
I certainly know it was how it used to be yes.
Not sure it need be that harsh, but certainly he should be jailed, and worked to earn back the money he wasted on those SAR teams looking for him when he wasn't missing, and the rest!
I think his Dad and his friend and anyone else who helped him should be penalised in that manner too. Might teach them, and anyone else who thinks of acting that way, a lesson.
PVR if you want to leave, like the rest of us who left did, or do.
You choose to sign up, then you have to comply.
I hope he reads this.
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rockie wrote: angry wrote: Isn't desertion during wartime call for the death penalty? Or is that just a rumor? I certainly know it was how it used to be yes. Not sure it need be that harsh, but certainly he should be jailed, and worked to earn back the money he wasted on those SAR teams looking for him when he wasn't missing, and the rest! I think his Dad and his friend and anyone else who helped him should be penalised in that manner too. Might teach them, and anyone else who thinks of acting that way, a lesson. PVR if you want to leave, like the rest of us who left did, or do. You choose to sign up, then you have to comply. I hope he reads this.
Yes I am sure he is going to read THIS post, out of the hundreds of thousands calling him a coward. Oh yes, that is going to happen.
"Up to" the death penalty, I believe, is the potential sentence.
I think a lengthy community service sentence spent serving disabled and severely wounded combat vets would be a just sentence, for the soldier and those who aided his crime.
DMT
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socalclimber
Nov 25, 2008, 10:50 PM
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dingus wrote: socalclimber wrote: dingus wrote: shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army). George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President. DMT Remember Dingus, this guy is probably just middle class white trash, like the rest of us. Bushy-poo and friends/family have money, lots, and lots of money. Need I say more? No you didn't have to say it at all. Even the former Bush supporters on this site STFU'd a long, long time ago. I feel sorry for the kid, to an extent. I feel no sympathy at in some other respects. I'm quite conflicted by it all! Cheers DMT
I agree with your conflicted sentiments. On the one hand, he volunteered for military service, don't whine about it. On the other hand, serving your country is one thing, it's entirely another when your "fearless" leader sends you out to die to do his and his cronies dirty work.
Not matter what, he's likely to fry for this one.
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I think a couple of years servicing Bush would actually teach him more than going to the desert to kill innocent people would ever learn him.
to quote an awesome band...
"We wave the flag of freedom as we conquer and invade"
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Awfully close to Soapbox, but maybe not there yet. Still, it's not really an accident thread yet and I'd rather not moderate it heavily. Moved to General.
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[thread drift] - so what's up with the lack of "going straight to the newest post" feature? Now when I open up, I am taken to the first page, regardless of whether or not I've read it already. This seem to be hit or miss lately.
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shockabuku
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socalclimber wrote: dingus wrote: socalclimber wrote: dingus wrote: shockabuku wrote: dynosore wrote: Man, is he in a world of hurt. I see his genius dad was helping him too. He was just about to turn himself in, right...... Be interesting to see how that turns out with desertion during wartime. In peace time, desertion is generally handled with a dishonorable discharge (which is appealable after 1 year or something like that) and that's about it (at least in the Army). George Bush was AWOL in time of war. They made him President. DMT Remember Dingus, this guy is probably just middle class white trash, like the rest of us. Bushy-poo and friends/family have money, lots, and lots of money. Need I say more? No you didn't have to say it at all. Even the former Bush supporters on this site STFU'd a long, long time ago. I feel sorry for the kid, to an extent. I feel no sympathy at in some other respects. I'm quite conflicted by it all! Cheers DMT I agree with your conflicted sentiments. On the one hand, he volunteered for military service, don't whine about it. On the other hand, serving your country is one thing, it's entirely another when your "fearless" leader sends you out to die to do his and his cronies dirty work. Not matter what, he's likely to fry for this one.
Maybe. Here's the oath:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
It doesn't leave much wiggle room in that regard.
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Nov 26, 2008, 1:08 AM
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shockabuku wrote: Here's the oath: "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962). It doesn't leave much wiggle room in that regard.
Yup, I've read it. Long long ago. I understand it. You are right about that.
While I'm divided and have my ideals, the truth is the same. He did take an oath. He made a comitment. He chose not to follow through and run from it. And, it caught up with him. Now he's gonna have to pay the price.
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socalclimber wrote: shockabuku wrote: Here's the oath: Yup, I've read it. Long long ago. I understand it. You are right about that. While I'm divided and have my ideals, the truth is the same. He did take an oath. He made a comitment. He chose not to follow through and run from it. And, it caught up with him. Now he's gonna have to pay the price.
And who could possibly argue with that?
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