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JamesDeRoussel
Dec 3, 2008, 11:20 AM
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Having attended the Coronado Forest public meeting and speaking with the biologist there, and having observed a number of other things occurring lately around Southern Arizona, I am concerned about a whole host of mounting issues that WILL soon effect our climbing opportunities if they are not addressed. A number of other local climbers are also concerned about some of these issues.
I understand that climbers don't organize well (herding cats, anyone?), and Tucson climbers in particular. That having been said, I pose the question:
1) What issues, if any, concern you in regards to access and ethics for climbing in Southern Arizona?
2) If an effort were made to address these issues proactively as a community, what do you think that effort should look like?
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crimpandgo
Dec 3, 2008, 11:33 AM
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so, you haven't read the "save Queen Creek" thread I take it?
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climbsomething
Dec 3, 2008, 12:40 PM
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Hey James,
I haven't lived in Tucson in a couple of years, but I'm curious if anything has changed with access to Milagrosa. I know the parking and the trailhead involve private property... are the homeowners still cool with climbers?
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JamesDeRoussel
Dec 3, 2008, 12:44 PM
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Hey Hillary,
I would not go as far as to say the homeowners are 'cool' with climbers... but the situation is pretty much unchanged. Park at the gate and walk the mile down the road.
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crimpandgo
Dec 3, 2008, 7:36 PM
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JamesDeRoussel wrote: crimpandgo wrote: so, you haven't read the "save Queen Creek" thread I take it? Queen Creek is not considered a Southern Arizona/Tucson area, and does not figure into this discussion. This thread refers primarily to Pima and Cochise counties, and the Coronado Forest District.
I wasn't referring to the area. I was referring to climbers ability and interest to organize when needed.
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aerili
Dec 3, 2008, 10:17 PM
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I am concerned about bird closures. I've been around (non-closed crags) with nests of falcons that could care less I was there, then I've also been around other open crags that had a nest and parents that completely flipped out by my presence hundreds of yards away (pretty much the reason why these bird closures exist).
I know the biologists can't predict which nest the birds are going to choose each year or even whether they will be easygoing or super sensitive, aggro parents, but I hate closures on non-occupied rocks, and yet I don't want to see birds who need their space bothered by climbers either.
If you can figure out what I want somewhere in there, that would be it.
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sonso45
Dec 23, 2008, 9:28 AM
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Marissa, you hit the nail on the head. If you are climbing near a nest that is bothered by your presence, leave the area alone until the nesting period is over and inform your friends. If you are climbing and the birds are not bothered by your presence on the crag, then enjoy the climb. Simple.
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