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DFCLIMB
Feb 14, 2009, 6:59 PM
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Seems like this is spelled two different ways - cordelette and cordalette. Any info on the background/correct spelling?
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Sin
Feb 14, 2009, 7:34 PM
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Oh yea both of them are bomber, they work just fine. I think it depends on what area you live in. I'd say in France it's cordelette, and in the states it's cordalette.
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clc
Feb 14, 2009, 8:25 PM
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Freedom of the Hills spells it Cordelette
I've never seen it spelled with an "A"
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kai_da_klimba
Feb 14, 2009, 8:36 PM
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"corde" is french for rope, string
"cordelette" is the diminutive, i.e. meaning little rope, little string
(similar to adding "-ito" in spanish...)
cordalette is how someone who doesn't know french and/or hasn't read the term before (other than on the internet) may write it from how "cordelette" sounds.
all that is fairly harmless compared to the mutilations of the Munter hitch...
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DFCLIMB
Feb 14, 2009, 9:04 PM
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Thank you for the reply. Speaking of Munter or Muenter (or half mast hitch belay), similar question re: background and correct spelling.
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kai_da_klimba
Feb 14, 2009, 10:29 PM
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Re: Munter
I am from Germany, and there the Munter hitch doesn't go by that name, it is Halbmastwurf, where Mastwurf is the clove hitch, so half-clovehitch. Same name used by people I know from Austria and Switzerland.
It seems that Munter hitch is what's most often seen as the spelling here, and that might make sense. There's a well known Swiss guide by the name of Werner Munter. He's mostly known in Europe for his system on avalanche safety, though.
My suspicion regarding the funny spellings seen sometimes is that someone thought "oh, Munter sounds European, maybe it really is "Münter". Then, if you don't have the u with two dots on your keyboard, you might write "Muenter", which would be the normal way to spell it without access to the umlaut character. The worst I've seen so far is "Müenter", which is really funny because it tries to look smart by bringing the umlaut back it, but at the same time it shows that the person spelling things such has not the slightest knowledge of umlauts other than knowing that they have two dots...
so there you have it....
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kai_da_klimba
Feb 14, 2009, 10:32 PM
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you should have tried replying to those ads that keep showing up in your email inbox - you know, those patches, creams etc.
Probably cheaper if not as effective as that BB gun...
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dingus
Feb 15, 2009, 1:51 PM
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DFCLIMB wrote: Seems like this is spelled two different ways - cordelette and cordalette. Any info on the background/correct spelling?
Ask John Long - he coined the term.
DMT
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JimTitt
Feb 15, 2009, 6:41 PM
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Originally used by the Phoenecians (and probably earlier)
and by Russian climbers in the 1930´s, promoted in 1967 by Franz Russo of Constance.
Accepted by the UIAA in 1973 as a belaying method.
The Munter Hitch is really something a bit different, using a HMS combined with a shoulder belay but this gives such a hard stop as well as being a pain in the butt that it never caught on.
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dingus
Feb 16, 2009, 12:32 PM
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Never caught on eh? I just noticed you post from Germany, haha.
Cheers
DMT
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johnwesely
Feb 16, 2009, 12:48 PM
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if you spell it cordalette on google it will say, "Did you mean equallette."
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Adk
Feb 16, 2009, 12:50 PM
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I like to hear people pronounce it cord-a-let. What the heck is a cord-a-let?
That is almost as bad a the pronunciation by some people of the word sabot. Say-bot! DUH!
It's cord-a-lay and say-bow.
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gothcopter
Feb 16, 2009, 2:30 PM
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Adk wrote: I like to hear people pronounce it cord-a-let. What the heck is a cord-a-let? That is almost as bad a the pronunciation by some people of the word sabot. Say-bot! DUH! It's cord-a-lay and say-bow.
Wow, I guess this means David Bowie will have to re-record "Suffragette City".
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dingus
Feb 17, 2009, 3:07 PM
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Adk wrote: I like to hear people pronounce it cord-a-let. What the heck is a cord-a-let? That is almost as bad a the pronunciation by some people of the word sabot. Say-bot! DUH! It's cord-a-lay and say-bow.
Cord da lay sounds gay.
DMT
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Adk
Feb 17, 2009, 3:15 PM
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It is gay and I suckered you guys right in.
I was bored. Sorry.  The doldrums of winter!!!
We don't pronounce cigarette, "cig-a-ray"
Have a good one.
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dingus
Feb 17, 2009, 3:24 PM
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Adk wrote: It is gay and I suckered you guys right in. I was bored. Sorry. The doldrums of winter!!! We don't pronounce cigarette, "cig-a-ray" Have a good one.
One point for you my friend.
I don't mind being sucked in. I like it like that!
DMT
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Adk
Feb 17, 2009, 3:30 PM
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LOL
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knudenoggin
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kai_da_klimba wrote: Re: Munter I am from Germany, and there the Munter hitch doesn't go by that name, it is Halbmastwurf, where Mastwurf is the clove hitch, so half-clovehitch. Same name used by people I know from Austria and Switzerland.
Thanks. And all this IS in at least one USA book--viz., The Outdoor
Knots Book, also from The Mountaineers Books press (like FOTH).
Re the Munter, I'll see your "Halbmastwurf" and raise you a
"Mezzo barcaiolo"! (I think the Italians claim origination.)
Not only that, but re the cordelette, we can tie it off with no less
than the novel "Cordonbight"!!
(Btw, Munter's got nothing on Prusik: prussic, prusick, prussick, ... .)
ps: Rumor is that a downsized GM might produce a Cordevette.
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