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rschap


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So I made some axes and I was wondering what you all would think. I threw in my X15s for scale. The mountaineers axe isn't finnished yet but someday I'll get back to it.


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rschap wrote:
So I made some axes and I was wondering what you all would think. I threw in my X15s for scale. The mountaineers axe isn't finnished yet but someday I'll get back to it.




They look similar to the X-monsters. Very, very similar.
You'll want some kind of grip on them, I dunno how well you'll be able to hold onto wet/icy metal.
Can you replace the pick on the "monster"?


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Yeah I admit that the geometry of the bottom handle in relation to the head was copied from the monster, but I did change it a lot over all. The heads are replaceable and I made a more aggressive and less aggressive head for them. The grips arenít bad at all, theyíre a little thin (only 11/16Ē thick) but other than that they work fine. The problem Iím having with them is they are heavy, about twice the weight of my X15s. I have a new design that will be much lighter I just havenít cut them out yet.


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I climb on homemade tools and LOVE (LOVE) them. Mine are a titanium shaft with a modular head and laser cut picks. The picks will not break, the designer tried like hell and only managed to bend one.

With the TI shaft the only weight in the tool at all is in the head. Great sticks.

They look like the tin-man's tools and climb on par or above anything on the market.




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I've held Angry's tool, it made me more of a man. [/inuendo]


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rschap wrote:
Yeah I admit that the geometry of the bottom handle in relation to the head was copied from the monster, but I did change it a lot over all. The heads are replaceable and I made a more aggressive and less aggressive head for them. The grips arenít bad at all, theyíre a little thin (only 11/16Ē thick) but other than that they work fine. The problem Iím having with them is they are heavy, about twice the weight of my X15s. I have a new design that will be much lighter I just havenít cut them out yet.

Twice the weight of x-15's !!!! holy cow. my buddy climbs with x-15's and they are super heavy. i'm guessing your built like a brick house if your going to be climbing with your homemade tools!


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Same guy that made my technical tools makes a mountain axe that's lighter than even the flimsy ski mountaineering crap and as strong as any beefy axe out there. If I got one, I'd get the heavier steel head (instead of ti) version because it sticks in ice better.

Do you live in the Denver area? If so, I think you two should hang out. He's full of ideas and is familiar with the process of prototyping stuff.


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I can't wait to see the lighter weight version! Very rad looking design. The handles look a little uninsulated for quebec ice climbing in January! However, I'm sure that could be tweaked on later versions/ dealt with personally.

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On a side note, I had a funny idea the other day.
If you needed to put rubber on a handle or whatever, isn't 5.10 releasing a "paint on" sticky rubber?
I wonder how grippy that would be when wet...


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sungam wrote:
On a side note, I had a funny idea the other day.
If you needed to put rubber on a handle or whatever, isn't 5.10 releasing a "paint on" sticky rubber?
I wonder how grippy that would be when wet...

I'm going to try that on my tools and see how it works.

rschap,
you have a waterjet, try cutting out tool using Grivel's monster or X-monster head. they can be had for 50 bucks(yes, replaceable). I've found it the easiest and lightest pick to adapt and you can copy the insert they use for their heads pretty easily.


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I was thinking of using it on my quantum techs. I'll see how yours goes first Laugh


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You could mix salt with plasti dip and dip your handle. Once the salt disolves, you're left with a rough pitted surface.

Or a big fucking mess.


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angry wrote:
You could mix salt with plasti dip and dip your handle. Once the salt disolves, you're left with a rough pitted surface.

Or a big fucking mess.
hmmm, cunning plan.
Any other ideas>?


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brent_e wrote:
sungam wrote:
On a side note, I had a funny idea the other day.
If you needed to put rubber on a handle or whatever, isn't 5.10 releasing a "paint on" sticky rubber?
I wonder how grippy that would be when wet...

I'm going to try that on my tools and see how it works.

rschap,
you have a waterjet, try cutting out tool using Grivel's monster or X-monster head. they can be had for 50 bucks(yes, replaceable). I've found it the easiest and lightest pick to adapt and you can copy the insert they use for their heads pretty easily.


Brent



My heads are replacable and for now I can cut a set for about $12 or so. The material is free for now because it's left over from a company that went under. After I run out of that I'll still be able to make them for under $20.





Yatah! thanks Sungam.
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angry wrote:
Same guy that made my technical tools makes a mountain axe that's lighter than even the flimsy ski mountaineering crap and as strong as any beefy axe out there. If I got one, I'd get the heavier steel head (instead of ti) version because it sticks in ice better.

Do you live in the Denver area? If so, I think you two should hang out. He's full of ideas and is familiar with the process of prototyping stuff.



No, I'm over in Grand junction, middle of nowhere but I'm 1:30 away from Ouray.

Edit: The Montianeers axe I made has a 4130 chromoly head and pick. the shaft is made from 1/16" wall 6061 alum.





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My next handles are going to be hardwood and thicker.


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angry wrote:
You could mix salt with plasti dip and dip your handle. Once the salt disolves, you're left with a rough pitted surface.

Or a big fucking mess.

I think you have to put the plasti dip on, then sprinkle coarse salt on top of it.

dip it in water when the plasti dip is dry.


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rschap wrote:
brent_e wrote:
sungam wrote:
On a side note, I had a funny idea the other day.
If you needed to put rubber on a handle or whatever, isn't 5.10 releasing a "paint on" sticky rubber?
I wonder how grippy that would be when wet...

I'm going to try that on my tools and see how it works.

rschap,
you have a waterjet, try cutting out tool using Grivel's monster or X-monster head. they can be had for 50 bucks(yes, replaceable). I've found it the easiest and lightest pick to adapt and you can copy the insert they use for their heads pretty easily.


Brent



My heads are replacable and for now I can cut a set for about $12 or so. The material is free for now because it's left over from a company that went under. After I run out of that I'll still be able to make them for under $20.





Yatah! thanks Sungam.


what material are you using?


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Just a thought.
It may be an advantage to add teeth to the top rounded section of the picks.


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sungam wrote:
angry wrote:
You could mix salt with plasti dip and dip your handle. Once the salt disolves, you're left with a rough pitted surface.

Or a big fucking mess.
hmmm, cunning plan.
Any other ideas>?
Liquide Latex?

Unimpressed


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jaablink wrote:
Just a thought.
It may be an advantage to add teeth to the top rounded section of the picks.


I've taken one too many ads to the head for that.




Brent e
I used AR plate, it's a hard Abrasion Resistant steel alloy.


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rschap wrote:
jaablink wrote:
Just a thought.
It may be an advantage to add teeth to the top rounded section of the picks.


I've taken one too many ads to the head for that.




Brent e
I used AR plate, it's a hard Abrasion Resistant steel alloy.

what's the alloy, out of curiosity?


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brent_e wrote:
rschap wrote:
jaablink wrote:
Just a thought.
It may be an advantage to add teeth to the top rounded section of the picks.


I've taken one too many ads to the head for that.




Brent e
I used AR plate, it's a hard Abrasion Resistant steel alloy.

what's the alloy, out of curiosity?

I kinda thought he was getting cute with an allusion to Aremet.

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