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CrazyPetie
Apr 6, 2009, 2:09 AM
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We've been working on the new project on the main wall and left a draw on the third bolt to prevent rope drag. However some idiot must of thought we just forgot it there because it is missing now. Its really not a big deal, they are only $10. BUT its just the point, you leave draws that are hanging, its just common knowledge. Plus its not like you sent the project so WTF. That would be like going to summersville and thinking you've hit the goldmine of free quickdraws on the collesium wall. Just dumb.
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Factor2
Apr 6, 2009, 2:43 AM
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Sometimes It is not obvious. If It is only one draw, it can seem like it was used to bail off of. And we all know the law of booty.
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time2clmb
Apr 6, 2009, 2:53 AM
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A single draw left on a route is regarded by a lot of people as a bail piece....that's just common knowledge.
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zeke_sf
Apr 6, 2009, 3:00 AM
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Maybe putting a draw for that purpose on a really tightened quicklink or something would be a clearer message/more difficult to remove. If you are looking for your draw to stay in situ, anyway. It would make them bring up a wrench, anyway.
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shockabuku
Apr 6, 2009, 4:27 AM
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CrazyPetie wrote: We've been working on the new project on the main wall and left a draw on the third bolt to prevent rope drag. However some idiot must of thought we just forgot it there because it is missing now. Its really not a big deal, they are only $10. BUT its just the point, you leave draws that are hanging, its just common knowledge. Plus its not like you sent the project so WTF. That would be like going to summersville and thinking you've hit the goldmine of free quickdraws on the collesium wall. Just dumb.
I thought it was common knowledge that the proper word to use above is "have".
Judge not...
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cporter
Apr 6, 2009, 4:44 AM
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I agree with crazy here, cleaning someone's gear on rap and taking it is kinda b.s. If they climb the route and take it along the way thinking it is booty, thats one thing but I feel the route needs to be send to claim booty.
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zeke_sf
Apr 6, 2009, 5:05 AM
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cporter wrote: I agree with crazy here, cleaning someone's gear on rap and taking it is kinda b.s. If they climb the route and take it along the way thinking it is booty, thats one thing but I feel the route needs to be send to claim booty.
Heh. I've taken a bail biner off of a 5.14a before. Trust me, I don't climb that hard and I didn't rap the route, I'm just that motivated. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you are wrong.
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cporter
Apr 6, 2009, 6:14 AM
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fair enough, but you got higher on the route right? if you didn't finish the route, and took the bail biner, howd you get off the route? just curious.
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lodi5onu
Apr 6, 2009, 12:00 PM
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In reply to: That would be like going to summersville and thinking you've hit the goldmine of free quickdraws on the collesium wall. Just dumb.
Yes, if Summersville were a 30' vertical pebble in Southwest PA with 10 or so 3-bolt climbs spattered across the face...but then it PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE PROJECT DRAWS ON IT
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zeke_sf
Apr 6, 2009, 4:32 PM
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cporter wrote: fair enough, but you got higher on the route right? if you didn't finish the route, and took the bail biner, howd you get off the route? just curious.
Ah, but I would be spoiling the fun for you.
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dingus
Apr 6, 2009, 4:45 PM
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Lost a draw didjya?
I shall cry ONE TEAR for your little lost draw, tonight during prayers.
DMT
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patmay81
Apr 6, 2009, 4:48 PM
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yeah, I'm gonna have to agree with most everyone else. One draw=bail/booty. most projects I have worked were on lead, thus a line of draws=project.
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truello
Apr 8, 2009, 2:54 AM
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Your piece was definitely bootied, and rightfully so. It is SO easy to get to the top and rappel that you could replace draws if you really wanted to pinkpoint your project.
What route were you on? PLEASE say it was Diesel.
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joeforte
Apr 8, 2009, 11:45 AM
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I was under the impression that all of the route's at Breakneck had been sent. I'm also curious... What route?
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scottek67
Apr 8, 2009, 12:14 PM
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how can it be stolen if it was left behind?!
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apeman_e
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cporter wrote: I agree with crazy here, cleaning someone's gear on rap and taking it is kinda b.s. If they climb the route and take it along the way thinking it is booty, thats one thing but I feel the route needs to be send to claim booty.
Why is that?!? I would clean gear on rap if it so pleased me- why do you need to send a route to claim booty? Is that in the bible, or is it an immutable law of existence, or maybe embedded in the Constitution? It's certainly in better style to climb the route to retrieve booty, but come on, your words sound like the sad plea of someone losing the booty count.
YAR! YE GEAR BE PLUNDERED! TIS THE CODE!
p.s. even a ruthless pirate wouldn't booty a line of fixed draws, but I'd have to guess your single draw actually was a bail draw- since you said it's a project, I'll bet that draw was as high as you got.
pps whoever took your draw certainly didnt mean to offend, and when you SEE someone with your draw at your crag, you can ASK for it back and im sure you'll get it. Calling people DUMB isn't gonna help.
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joeforte
Apr 9, 2009, 12:21 AM
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I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route?
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zeke_sf
Apr 9, 2009, 1:09 AM
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joeforte wrote: I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route?
Yes. Now, do the right thing and solo back up there to replace that ill-gained bounty!
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joeforte
Apr 9, 2009, 1:18 AM
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I'll go back and put it back on lead, and have my second clean it.
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zeke_sf
Apr 9, 2009, 1:23 AM
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joeforte wrote: I'll go back and put it back on lead, and have my second clean it.
Hehe.Tricky. Although, I think your second may now be able to claim the piece as their booty.
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truello
Apr 9, 2009, 12:12 PM
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joeforte wrote: I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route?
That must have been one nice piece of booty to risk it without protection.
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shockabuku
Apr 9, 2009, 12:29 PM
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truello wrote: joeforte wrote: I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route? That must have been one nice piece of booty to risk it without protection.
Booty is best taken without protection.
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c4c
Apr 9, 2009, 12:43 PM
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shockabuku wrote: truello wrote: joeforte wrote: I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route? That must have been one nice piece of booty to risk it without protection. Booty is best taken without protection.
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shockabuku
Apr 9, 2009, 12:46 PM
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c4c wrote: shockabuku wrote: truello wrote: joeforte wrote: I've solo'd up to booty gear in the gunks, then downclimbed back to my pack several times... did I break the booty law by not finishing the route? That must have been one nice piece of booty to risk it without protection. Booty is best taken without protection. not if it has been well used and abused.
The booty taker must assess his/her own level of acceptable risk.
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Lazlo
Apr 9, 2009, 1:30 PM
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zeke_sf wrote: joeforte wrote: I'll go back and put it back on lead, and have my second clean it. Hehe.Tricky. Although, I think your second may now be able to claim the piece as their booty.
I giggled.
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