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runderekrun


Apr 27, 2009, 7:39 AM
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Apr 27, 2009, 8:17 PM
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Someone has taken two quickdraws from Kamikaze in the Kamikaze cave. I am hoping this will reach the people in question, and they will be returned to the route. They were in use. They are not yours. You should know better than to take equipment off of routes that does not belong to you.

2 draws? i reckon that sounds like booty material to me, should clean up after youself, or dont complain if things go missing


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Apr 27, 2009, 10:05 PM
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If you're going to leave them over-night, then that's booty. 2 draws seem like fair game to me. However if you had cinched on some quick-links on the end of dem dog bones, then that might have given those "people" a better idea of your intentions.Wink



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Apr 28, 2009, 2:04 PM
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runderekrun wrote:
Someone has taken two quickdraws from Kamikaze in the Kamikaze cave. I am hoping this will reach the people in question, and they will be returned to the route. They were in use. They are not yours. You should know better than to take equipment off of routes that does not belong to you.


......here we go again......Unsure


khan


Apr 28, 2009, 10:17 PM
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papa_eos wrote:
If you're going to leave them over-night, then that's booty. 2 draws seem like fair game to me. However if you had cinched on some quick-links on the end of dem dog bones, then that might have given those "people" a better idea of your intentions.

Are you kidding me? The two draws that he is talking about are the third and fourth draws of a FULLY equipped sport route on very steep rock.

Go to any sport area with steep enough rock and some (or all) of the bolts in the steepest sections will be equipped with draws. Quicklinked draws are used only when the draws are being left permanently. Regular draws are used when one person equipped the route so they can work it.

Either way, the intentions are very clear. The draws are as much booty as the bolts and hangers are.


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Apr 28, 2009, 10:28 PM
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were they your draws? If not, then maybe someone send the route and took them off. If they were, then.....I dont know.


a-e-jones


Apr 29, 2009, 3:56 AM
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sounds like someone should of used quicklinks anyways, if you were able to put them up there then you should be able to take them down afterwards, have some respect for other hobbists that want to enjoy that area


michaelmay513


Apr 29, 2009, 4:07 AM
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I had this problem with my draws being stolen off of routes I'm working before. I gave up bitching about it and started removing my draws arter I'm done. There are a lot of assholes out there and removing my gear is the best way to stay away from those type of people.


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Apr 29, 2009, 4:44 AM
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Unless the particular crag is your private playground you have to accept that other people are going to come along. You may leave draws with the intention of coming back and working a route, and you may feel that itís clear that the draws have been left for that reason. If itís a whole line of draws it is clear that itís a project, you are just leaving one or two draws its ambiguous.

Personally, I think if you are leaving equipment of any kind, it needs to be very clear to others that it has been done intentionally, and that you are coming back for it, in cases where you are leaving one or two draws using quick links would signal this to others.


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Ok so this is a sport cave with plenty of fixed draws up there. If somebody is working a route and leaves draws up there it seems obvious that they are going to come back to get them or use them and not just littering a crag with their twenty dollar draws. Why not just use them and leave them up their for others? They are no more of an eyesore than the dozen or so fixed draws already up there. There's no practical purpose to taking them down, so your pretty much just stealing them, and why the hell are people defending petty theivery?


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