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yosemite26
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hafilax
Jun 22, 2009, 11:46 PM
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Do you mean people that are somewhat fastidious or actually clinically OCD?
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no_email_entered
Jun 22, 2009, 11:52 PM
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yosemite26 wrote: Ive noticed through my climbing experiences that alot of people with ocd are drawn to climbing....does anyone know why?
so we can post a lot on rc.com---
---natch
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milesenoell
Jun 23, 2009, 12:15 AM
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...because it's one of the few places that an OCD person can flip out on you for touching their stuff and get a somewhat sympathetic response.
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yosemite26
Jun 23, 2009, 12:24 AM
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Grizvok
Jun 23, 2009, 4:26 PM
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milesenoell wrote: ...because it's one of the few places that an OCD person can flip out on you for touching their stuff and get a somewhat sympathetic response.
This sounds about right.
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ken21il
Jun 23, 2009, 4:38 PM
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yosemite26 wrote: Ive noticed through my climbing experiences that alot of people with ocd are drawn to climbing....does anyone know why?
Are you OCD? why does it matter?
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Gelada
Jun 23, 2009, 4:42 PM
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Repetitive, precise movements with a definite goal/reward.
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md3
Jun 23, 2009, 4:43 PM
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Do you mean climbers from New England?
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shockabuku
Jun 23, 2009, 4:43 PM
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yosemite26 wrote: Ive noticed through my climbing experiences that alot of people with ocd are drawn to climbing....does anyone know why?
Same reason others of them play golf I would imagine.
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Gelada
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shockabuku wrote: yosemite26 wrote: Ive noticed through my climbing experiences that alot of people with ocd are drawn to climbing....does anyone know why? Same reason others of them play golf I would imagine.
Thats actually a really interesting comparison and pans out with what I was trying to get at.
Both a climber and golfer apply a regimented mode of problem solving/thinking to deal with an unknown/new variable, whether it be a route or golf course. With a stretch this could be correlated with OCD by recognizing that sufferers compulsions are often a coping mechanism to deal with a traumatic experience (life variable). Although, this is speaking from a non-genetic standpoint.
There is a definite end or solution, either the bottom of a cup or the top(out) of a route. I only mention this because one of the characteristics of a person with OCD is the assumption that something negative will happen if they do not complete their compulsions.
Furthermore, rituals are firmly ingrained in both activities - ie: chalking up or resetting feet/hands before the shot.
All of this is pure conjecture, but I get a kick out of thinking about it.
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brownie710
Jun 24, 2009, 1:52 PM
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i would have to say the term ocd had become a pop culture word and the clinical symptoms of the disorder would not necessary funnel those struggling with it to climb. i.e, if someone is a "checker" then they would feel compelled to tie and retie their eight a certain number of times,etc probably leading to a frustrated climbing partner. basically clinical ocd by definition interferes with daily functioning and this would certainly be evidenced while climbing as well, and probably not in a positive manner.
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mounter
Jun 26, 2009, 12:11 AM
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for fun
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irregularpanda
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Gelada wrote: All of this is pure conjecture, but I get a kick out of thinking about it.
I get a kick out of making armchair diagnoses too, but that doesn't make the diagnosis correct.
OCD has a very specific clinical criteria. For someone to be exacting, fastidious, repetitive, and uncompromising does not a diagnosis make. There's more to OCD than that.
I don't wanna rain on your parade, and maybe you know more about psych disorders than I'm assuming you do, but it's pretty easy to think that someone has OCD, just because they exhibit the above behaviors. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that half the people on this site have those personality traits, but probably less than 0.01% actually have diagnosable OCD.
A good question to ask is: do you control your behaviors, or do your behaviors control you?
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Gelada
Jun 26, 2009, 12:46 PM
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No, no raining on my parade at all really, I just should have put more of a disclaimer on my fun. What truly excited me and got my gums a-flappin' was the over-lapping mentalities of participants of golf and climbing.
Realistically, climbing seems like it would one of the LAST activities (if any) that a trully DSM-IV diagnosed individual would get enjoyment from.
Although the OP stated 'clinical' I was shooting the shit from a more benign pop-culture perspective, ie - "Man, I'm so OCD".
I guess instead of "conjecture" I should have stated "bullshit".
I find it very interesting where you stated "I bet half the people on this forum..." because I have a sticky feeling that you are again correct because I could at least name a few irrational compulsions in myself:
-From about third grade until about halfway through middle school I would religiously NOT step on any crack in the pavement. (Father had a bad back, switched it from "momma's") It must have been amusing to watch me tip-toe through the small-tiled mall near my house. My walking stride is still timed out to miss the cracks in a sidewalk and I will find myself still doing it from time to time without noticing.
- I would not wear anything that made any noise while I moved/walked. I would tape zippers down on back packs, distrubute coins between my pockets, stuff Kleenex/cotton into mint boxes.
- I was certain that there were cameras behind the mirrors in my house and that if I left the blind open in front of the window while taking a wizz then I would have a high probability of getting sniped. Admittedly, that was kinda overboard right there.
Anyone else wanna share?
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geezergecko
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Like Peter Sellers, I avoid the color green and make sure to not have any of my clothes or gear in that color. I always look at the .75 Camalot with suspicion.
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happiegrrrl
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I have a friend with OCD and personally, I cannot imagine her being able to stomach climbing, when her OCD is kicking her butt.
Sometimes I leave my apartment and think "Did I shut off (whatever)?" Sometimes I actually will go back up the stair and check. But man - what horror it would be, to get 20 feet up and having my mind thinking about the friggin'green Camalot in my anchor - did it walk? was the gate locked? is it rubbing on rock and opening? and onandonandon....
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scotty1974
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Logistics. So I can lay everything out perfectly and organize over and over..going over every minute gear detail. Then when I come back I can do it all over again. 
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angry
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I don't think I've ever met anyone with OCD, climber or non.
I did work with a kid who was autistic and had turrets. I've worked with a few high anxiety kids, a few true ADD/ADHD kids, dozens more who didn't have it but were medicated anyway, and my brother is recovering from a brain surgery.
I think that a normal mind works best for climbing. The numerical quizzical type seem to learn best. Perhaps a better topic would have been "why do so many engineers climb?"
Whatever.
I do believe that Alf exhibits many traits of Aspergers but I am not a professional and am in no way qualified to say.
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mturner
Jun 27, 2009, 2:23 PM
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angry wrote: Perhaps a better topic would have been "why do so many engineers climb?"
haha, so true. And probably would have been more interesting.
(This post was edited by mturner on Jun 27, 2009, 2:24 PM)
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