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Poll: Will you keep placing your Aliens?
Yes, I will free climb with them	35 / 42%
I will only place them for aid	4 / 5%
No I will not use/buy them ever again	20 / 24%
rtwilli you should SHUT UP!	6 / 7%
Pancakes	18 / 22%
83 total votes

rtwilli4

Jun 22, 2009, 8:22 PM
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healyje Made a great post recently that ended with:

In reply to:

I can't deal with supporting, condoning, or enabling the behavior we've seen from CCH - I will never buy a product from them again.

I'm sure some of you are tired of this but all I want is your answers.

What do you have, what do you use them for, and will you keep using them? Why or why not?

No arguing about safety or proof of failure. No technical arguments. Just state your reasons and let others do the same.

j_ung

Jun 22, 2009, 8:27 PM
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Have none, don't need them, won't buy them. If I did need them, like for aiding Yos pin scars, I would buy them used and have them independently tested.

tradrenn

Jun 22, 2009, 8:36 PM
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I have black to red with doubles in green and yellow.

I'm using all of them for free climbing.

V.

boymeetsrock

Jun 22, 2009, 9:01 PM
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Don't have them. Won't buy them. Won't use them at all. (save maybe one day far off for aid, or if re-marketed under a different brand.)

seeds

Jun 22, 2009, 9:29 PM
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i have been

boadman

Jun 22, 2009, 10:29 PM
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I've fallen multiple times on all of mine (doubles green through red). They're fine. I probably won't buy any more though. In my dreams, someday soon, he'll sell his shop to metolius or BD and let them take over production.

boku

Jun 22, 2009, 10:38 PM
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The one Alien I have shows good lobe centering and pull tested to half its rating just fine. So, yeah, I'm going to keep using it.

bill413

Jun 22, 2009, 11:11 PM
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I'm bummed. Don't have any. As I've read these threads I've come to realize the advantages they offer. But, also after reading these threads, I couldn't trust them...and I need to trust my gear.

EricSmith

Jun 23, 2009, 12:32 AM
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I will continue to climb on the ones I own and have been falling on, but I won't be buying more.

angry

Jun 23, 2009, 12:47 AM
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I have

1 black
1 blue
3 green
6 yellow
5 red
2 orange
1 purple
2 clear

They are all between 00 and 03.

I've fallen on every one of them plenty, I've also had some of them rewired and had lobes replaced as I felt needed.

I am not concerned about them at all. I am fortunate to have enough that I don't need to borrow any and be concerned about partner's cams.

If I wanted more, I'd just get brand new aliens and do a fuse test.

As I've said before, I don't place myself in a situation where 1 cam failure will hurt me (except for sliding big cams up OW's).

sungam

Jun 23, 2009, 6:49 PM
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I'm gunna run mine through that angle checker, if they pass that I know the braze is fine so I'll keep climbing on it.

coastal_climber

Jun 23, 2009, 9:21 PM
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Yellow, grey, brown. Whipped on, bounced the fuck out of, and they still hold me. Still gonna use them.

cracklover

Jun 23, 2009, 9:56 PM
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I've got:
1 black
2 blue
2 green
3 yellow
1 gray
2 red

I've personally tested them all to around 5kN. I'm retiring one of the reds and probably the black, because the axles is so far off. The rest I will continue to climb on.

GO

shimanilami

Jun 23, 2009, 10:34 PM
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I just bought my fourth set.

cologman

Jun 23, 2009, 10:52 PM
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Won't buy more but will keep using the ones I have been using for a few years.

bradley3297

Jun 23, 2009, 11:04 PM
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yes. they hold where other cams dont even go in and have no chance of holding.

kobaz

Jun 24, 2009, 12:30 AM
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Don't have any, don't want any, won't use any.

Hopefully totem cams will finally be sold and replace the aliens.

forkliftdaddy

Jun 24, 2009, 3:31 AM
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I did yesterday and today. I regularly use Green, Yellow, Gray, and Red.

apeman_e

Jun 24, 2009, 1:06 PM
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I place mine every time I climb.

mikewong

Jun 27, 2009, 3:26 AM
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yes

In reply to:

mheyman

Jun 27, 2009, 4:07 AM
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Red, green and yellow. Now donating them to Aric.
(Or I could leave them on my loaner rack for people I don't like!)

Sure I could check the cam angles and pull test to 1/2 their rated strength like GO, but I wouldn’t be truly confident that their brazes would hold their full strength till I ground their sides off and inspected them. I’m very happy with my decision two years ago to replace them with gear I can count on to hold its rated strength.

(This post was edited by mheyman on Jun 27, 2009, 4:12 AM)

drector

Jun 27, 2009, 4:15 AM
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I have a bunch of climbing gear that has a good chance of breaking or was otherwise manufactured incorrectly and outside of the product design specifications and I intend to keep on using it because my gear is special and will never fail.

Dave

But seriously, I will never use my Aliens again. They cannot be trusted.

irregularpanda

Jun 27, 2009, 7:24 AM
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PANCAKES ARE STUPID, AND THEY ALWAYS WILL BE STUPID.

STOP IT, IT'S NOT FUNNY. SERIOUSLY, USE YOUR BRAIN AND CREATE ORIGINAL JOKES ALREADY.

sungam

Jun 27, 2009, 8:23 AM
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irregularpanda wrote:

PANCAKES ARE STUPID, AND THEY ALWAYS WILL BE STUPID.

STOP IT, IT'S NOT FUNNY. SERIOUSLY, USE YOUR BRAIN AND CREATE ORIGINAL JOKES ALREADY.

Oh no he di'ent!

BANZ HIM NAO!

bill413

Jun 27, 2009, 1:43 PM
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irregularpanda wrote:

PANCAKES ARE STUPID, AND THEY ALWAYS WILL BE STUPID.

STOP IT, IT'S NOT FUNNY. SERIOUSLY, USE YOUR BRAIN AND CREATE ORIGINAL JOKES ALREADY.

Shouting out these sort of personal attacks is really inappropriate. Just think how you would feel if pancakes said that about you!

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