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mrdeadpt
Aug 26, 2009, 1:25 PM
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I'm all for convenient climbing, have no objection to sport routes and appreciate permanent anchors for TR'ing--but I'm wondering if anyone else out there in climbing-land thinks they are over-doing it a bit at Ralph Stover? I think it's great that some folks have installed two-bolt anchors over many of the popular routes and, hopefully, this will save some trees. But I think they've gone overboard with the long and heavy battleship anchor chains they've installed for easy TR'ing off those bolts. Over time, those heavy chains may well beat-up and cause deterioration of the edge of the cliff top--in a way that slings, being soft, would not.
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shockabuku
Aug 26, 2009, 1:50 PM
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You should probably change your name to mrdeadhorse.
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joeforte
Aug 26, 2009, 6:06 PM
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mrdeadpt wrote: I'm all for convenient climbing, have no objection to sport routes and appreciate permanent anchors for TR'ing--but I'm wondering if anyone else out there in climbing-land thinks they are over-doing it a bit at Ralph Stover? I think it's great that some folks have installed two-bolt anchors over many of the popular routes and, hopefully, this will save some trees. But I think they've gone overboard with the long and heavy battleship anchor chains they've installed for easy TR'ing off those bolts. Over time, those heavy chains may well beat-up and cause deterioration of the edge of the cliff top--in a way that slings, being soft, would not.
I agree. I am not a fan of chains at all. I think the only reason to use them is if the anchor must extend over a sharp edge. Chains are an eyesore, especially against the red rock at stover.
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coolcat83
Aug 26, 2009, 8:23 PM
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I'll go with the fact that chains are not attractive, but the anchor's are also installed with the cooperation and direction of the park managers, so if that's what they want to have climbing there then maybe it's best to just let it be. I'm not sure how much they are going to make the cliff top deteriorate, that remains to be seen.
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mrdeadpt
Aug 27, 2009, 3:56 AM
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I'm in agreement with coolcat83 on two things: If that's what the park management wants to allow climbing--so be it. (But, believe me, the powers that be don't all always make the best decisions regarding the resource they take care of.) And yes, it remains to be seen how those heavy chains will effect the rock edges. Depends on how things are handled. A few weeks ago, I came across one heavy chain wrapped several times around the tree it was there to relieve from anchor duty.
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