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Samiam277


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Camalot Vs. C4 Range
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I have c4s up through a #4 right now, but I'm looking to invest in a bigger size. The #5 would be perfect, but I have come across some older camalots (the pre-c4 generation) for a price i cant pass up for a cam that wont be used all that much. My question lies within the range matchup between the two lines of cams. I know there used to be a 3.5 and a 4.5 in the mix, and the old #5 is comparable to a #6 c4. So i guess I am asking if anyone has a list of the range for each of the older camalots, or which one would line up best with a number 5 c4. thanks


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http://clydesoles.com/Front/Camsbrand.html


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I know there is a cam range comparison chart in a thread on here. Try searching for it (I'll admit to being to lazy to look it up for you).

As for the practical advice, the old #4.5 (Red) will give you a comfortable overlap on a #4 C4 and is a great cam. It's likely the most used of my big cams. If you were to compair it to a #4 Friend you would find you have very little overlap, but with a #4 C4 it would be a great fit.


Edit: It appears MS1 is less lazy than I am.


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Oh, I'm extremely lazy. I just happen to be a lazy guy with a bookmarked cam-size comparison chart.


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http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/uploads/black-diamond/media/cam_chart.jpg

shows you where the old ones fit against new ones in terms of size and range


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Rudmin wrote:


shows you where the old ones fit against new ones in terms of size and range

Ta-da!


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DO IT!!

GET THEM ALL. No seriously. I don't know how much off width you climb, but unless you have a deal on the exact same sizes for a better price, then you should get these.

the old #4 is perfect, and nothing comes in that size anymore. the old 3.5 is perfect fists (for me) and it rocks. The old 4.5---see above.
If the price is honest, then do it. Those cams are strong performers.


qtm


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Here you go.



These are absolute ranges given the min and max from the manufacturer and do not reflect actual usable ranges.

edited: image fixed


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That chart don't look right. I think you probably deleted an entry somewhere and forgot to make things match up.


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Yeah, you're right, the first line is the WC Tech Friend 6.
Wierd, let me repost that.


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Does anyone have a source to buy new pre c4 camalots? Or if someone is unloading used ones too that'd be fine but I want a full set from 3.5-5 if anyone has any leads. I got sniped in an ebay auction for a set of new ones of all of them and they dont seem to come around very often...


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Couloirman wrote:
Does anyone have a source to buy new pre c4 camalots? Or if someone is unloading used ones too that'd be fine but I want a full set from 3.5-5 if anyone has any leads. I got sniped in an ebay auction for a set of new ones of all of them and they dont seem to come around very often...

I'm still looking for an old 3.5 and 4 myself. Should I find more than one of each...


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You really only need the old #4. The new 4 is somewhere in between the old 3.5 and the old 4, but the old 3.5 is a #4 friend. The real differences are between the old 4, 4.5, and 5 vs. the new 5 & 6.

BD knows that the published ranges are not the same as the usable ranges, so I don't know why they made this move anyway. Just reworking the stems was enough. Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open for more used 4, 4.5, and 5 camalots.


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petsfed wrote:
You really only need the old #4. The new 4 is somewhere in between the old 3.5 and the old 4, but the old 3.5 is a #4 friend.

It's more of a need/want thing. I don't need more cams, but sure as hell would like to have the options.

The old 3.5 is close to a #4 Friend (I do have WC #2 through #4 already, though I need to re-do the trigger wires on the #4 again). In actuall use the old 3.5 seems to have a slightly different 'real world' range with compliments the #4 Friend quite well.


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