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Samiam277
Sep 29, 2009, 9:48 PM
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I have c4s up through a #4 right now, but I'm looking to invest in a bigger size. The #5 would be perfect, but I have come across some older camalots (the pre-c4 generation) for a price i cant pass up for a cam that wont be used all that much. My question lies within the range matchup between the two lines of cams. I know there used to be a 3.5 and a 4.5 in the mix, and the old #5 is comparable to a #6 c4. So i guess I am asking if anyone has a list of the range for each of the older camalots, or which one would line up best with a number 5 c4. thanks
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the_climber
Sep 29, 2009, 9:55 PM
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I know there is a cam range comparison chart in a thread on here. Try searching for it (I'll admit to being to lazy to look it up for you).
As for the practical advice, the old #4.5 (Red) will give you a comfortable overlap on a #4 C4 and is a great cam. It's likely the most used of my big cams. If you were to compair it to a #4 Friend you would find you have very little overlap, but with a #4 C4 it would be a great fit.
Edit: It appears MS1 is less lazy than I am.
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MS1
Sep 29, 2009, 10:04 PM
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Oh, I'm extremely lazy. I just happen to be a lazy guy with a bookmarked cam-size comparison chart.
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Rudmin
Sep 30, 2009, 2:49 AM
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http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/uploads/black-diamond/media/cam_chart.jpg
shows you where the old ones fit against new ones in terms of size and range
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irregularpanda
Sep 30, 2009, 4:41 AM
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DO IT!!
GET THEM ALL. No seriously. I don't know how much off width you climb, but unless you have a deal on the exact same sizes for a better price, then you should get these.
the old #4 is perfect, and nothing comes in that size anymore. the old 3.5 is perfect fists (for me) and it rocks. The old 4.5---see above.
If the price is honest, then do it. Those cams are strong performers.
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qtm
Sep 30, 2009, 1:36 PM
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Here you go.
These are absolute ranges given the min and max from the manufacturer and do not reflect actual usable ranges.
edited: image fixed
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Rudmin
Sep 30, 2009, 5:10 PM
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That chart don't look right. I think you probably deleted an entry somewhere and forgot to make things match up.
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qtm
Sep 30, 2009, 5:21 PM
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Yeah, you're right, the first line is the WC Tech Friend 6.
Wierd, let me repost that.
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Couloirman
Oct 3, 2009, 10:54 PM
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Does anyone have a source to buy new pre c4 camalots? Or if someone is unloading used ones too that'd be fine but I want a full set from 3.5-5 if anyone has any leads. I got sniped in an ebay auction for a set of new ones of all of them and they dont seem to come around very often...
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the_climber
Oct 4, 2009, 5:07 PM
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Couloirman wrote: Does anyone have a source to buy new pre c4 camalots? Or if someone is unloading used ones too that'd be fine but I want a full set from 3.5-5 if anyone has any leads. I got sniped in an ebay auction for a set of new ones of all of them and they dont seem to come around very often...
I'm still looking for an old 3.5 and 4 myself. Should I find more than one of each...
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petsfed
Oct 4, 2009, 5:31 PM
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You really only need the old #4. The new 4 is somewhere in between the old 3.5 and the old 4, but the old 3.5 is a #4 friend. The real differences are between the old 4, 4.5, and 5 vs. the new 5 & 6.
BD knows that the published ranges are not the same as the usable ranges, so I don't know why they made this move anyway. Just reworking the stems was enough. Oh well, I'll keep my eyes open for more used 4, 4.5, and 5 camalots.
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the_climber
Oct 4, 2009, 5:59 PM
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petsfed wrote: You really only need the old #4. The new 4 is somewhere in between the old 3.5 and the old 4, but the old 3.5 is a #4 friend.
It's more of a need/want thing. I don't need more cams, but sure as hell would like to have the options.
The old 3.5 is close to a #4 Friend (I do have WC #2 through #4 already, though I need to re-do the trigger wires on the #4 again). In actuall use the old 3.5 seems to have a slightly different 'real world' range with compliments the #4 Friend quite well.
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