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out_rock


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Hi,

The other day, while climbing High Exposure at the Gunks, a guy commented on my rack and said "that's a big rack you have".
The rack I bring to climb most of the routes (95%) in the North East is the following :

4 Camalot : #3, #2, #1, #.75
5 Aliens: Orange, Red, Yellow, Green, Blue
4 Offset Alien : Red/Yellow, Yellow/Green, Green/Blue
8 Tricam:0.25 , 0.5 x 2 (Pink) , 1.0 (Red), 1.5 (Brown), 2.0 (Blue), 2.5(blue), 3.0 (black blue)
10 Nuts : 1 set of curve nuts (10 nuts)
6 Micro nuts : 6 micronuts

In summary : 12 cams, 16 nuts, 8 tricams

The only "true" double I have is the pink tricam.
I mention "true" because the 3 offset aliens in a sense double the red, yellow, green and blue


So is my rack a big one or average or right size ?


ps : I known rack size depend on a lot of thing, level of comfort, experience, if you like plugging lots of protection,. But I mention this is the rack I use on 95% of the routes without removing anything even on ever climb.





edit add picture of my rack


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hafilax


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It's not big rack in general but that's a lot to carry on every climb.


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Your rack is not adequate for you wife. Yea, but I took care of that for ya. Say thanks. Now tell her I want my money back. Now I have a red spot under my toe> WTF


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the metric conversion always throws it of a bit eh?


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You seem to have a lot of tricams, but that definitely does not seem like a huge rack to be bringing up mulitpitch routes.


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hafilax wrote:
It's not big rack in general but that's a lot to carry on every climb.

+1


zealotnoob


Oct 14, 2009, 5:38 AM
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Doesn't seem big to me. I think they were really thinking, "By god, that's a lot of tricams. Why would anyone do that to their second." Or something like that.


qtm


Oct 14, 2009, 7:31 AM
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That's pretty much a standard Gunks rack with a few extra tricams, really not that big. You probably didn't need all of it on High E, but really, how much gear you carry and place is a personal thing.

Next time just say "I place it all down low and make my second haul it up, he needs the exercise."


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Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.


unrest


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Climbing rack size is so personal and it will change over time. The stronger your climbing gets the smaller your dependence on gear will become. I get sick of dudes that can place gear while dangling from a pinkie on a 5.13d overhang telling a new trad climber his rack is farking too big. Sure it is you nitwit. You are now experience enough to know when, where and how much gear to place. You'll bomber a delicate cruxy runout just below you. You'll climb a 30 ft. 5.9 crack with maybe a piece here and possibly there.

Newer trad climbers that are still shaping their art will carry more gear. It doesn't make them dumb-asses it makes them safe (To a degree. Too much gear and that safety line blurs a lot.).

I'd suggest paying more attention to your placements. Put a small piece of tape (edge folded over to make removal easier) on your gear in a place you can pull it off. When you place that piece pull the tape off. At then end of pitch note which gear still has tape. You'll begin to see a pattern. Drop your peeled off tape and you'll soon see a pattern of pissed off people so just shove it in a pocket or something convenient.

It sounds a bit dumb but it will make you more mindful of the pieces you favor. If you placed all of that on a pitch then we'll call you a ninnie and laugh at your manicures. :) My guess is you'll only ever use 1/4th of all that stuff and a pattern will emerge.

Pay attention and trim your rack a bit. This may take some time but it's worth it to build your experience up.

My first leader wouldn't let me place anything that I couldn't make happen with a doubled set of stoppers. Over and over that's all I could use. After stoppers became my go-to he introduced a set of mid-range cams (4 I believe) he encouraged me to try and only use 2. Over time I developed a bit of a feel for gear and I could sort a rack right quick.

For fun I'll sometimes climb only with hexes, only with cams on climbs I know really well. It's amazing how much overlap there is in pieces like a hexentric and a wired nut but there is. However you'll soon see that a hex can do some things that are desirable.

Rack-envy and rack-spray will always be found everywhere. Pack at your comfort level and get to the point where less is more.Wink


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That rack seems heavy on the finger sizes but that might be what's appropriate to your area. I know that there are a lot of routes in Squamish that your rack wouldn't be much use for since they take a lot of hand and fist sized pieces. If you travel you might find that your rack will change by quite a bit.

You can plug it all into the spadout.com rack simulator and it will spit out a histogram of the number of pieces at each size.


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notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

I do the opposite, I pare down my rack when I climb harder routes.


shimanilami


Oct 14, 2009, 11:28 AM
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Are you sure he wasn't talking about your tits?


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

I do the opposite, I pare down my rack when I climb harder routes.

If I know the beta I do as well, if I'm onsighting I prefer not to worry about rationing gear and just focusing on the climbing.


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

I do the opposite, I pare down my rack when I climb harder routes.

If I know the beta I do as well, if I'm onsighting I prefer not to worry about rationing gear and just focusing on the climbing.

I just give the climb a good look, and go to it from there. It sucks to be wrong though. One time I got on this route that was protected by horizontals that looked really small from the ground, so I didn't bring anything above an orange tcu. All of the horizontals were .75 BD and above Pirate.


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johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

I do the opposite, I pare down my rack when I climb harder routes.

If I know the beta I do as well, if I'm onsighting I prefer not to worry about rationing gear and just focusing on the climbing.

I just give the climb a good look, and go to it from there. It sucks to be wrong though. One time I got on this route that was protected by horizontals that looked really small from the ground, so I didn't bring anything above an orange tcu. All of the horizontals were .75 BD and above Pirate.

You were quick on the reply, I was already editing my post to say basically that.

What I described is essentially my approach to multipitch. If I have a few hundred feet of climbing ahead of me, the odds are I'm gonna need the whole grab bag. For single pitch stuff I try to customize as much as possible and only carry what I need.


kachoong


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hafilax wrote:
You can plug it all into the spadout.com rack simulator and it will spit out a histogram of the number of pieces at each size.

That is pretty neat! I've never seen that before. I just use a spreadsheet to keep note of my size ranges.


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notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
johnwesely wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

I do the opposite, I pare down my rack when I climb harder routes.

If I know the beta I do as well, if I'm onsighting I prefer not to worry about rationing gear and just focusing on the climbing.

I just give the climb a good look, and go to it from there. It sucks to be wrong though. One time I got on this route that was protected by horizontals that looked really small from the ground, so I didn't bring anything above an orange tcu. All of the horizontals were .75 BD and above Pirate.

You were quick on the reply, I was already editing my post to say basically that.

What I described is essentially my approach to multipitch. If I have a few hundred feet of climbing ahead of me, the odds are I'm gonna need the whole grab bag. For single pitch stuff I try to customize as much as possible and only carry what I need.

I am the same way, If I am doing a multipitch route with gear anchors, I bring it all.
I am quick because I am writing a paper, and posting helps me procrastinate.


out_rock


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johnwesely wrote:
You seem to have a lot of tricams, but that definitely does not seem like a huge rack to be bringing up mulitpitch routes.

Yeah, I like tricam, specialy to build belay station. It can save you at least 1 cam for your leader.


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notapplicable wrote:
Nah, I'd say thats about an average sized rack.

One thing you might think about is paring it down as the difficulty of the climb decreases. For most climbs 4 or more grades below onsight level I start with a base of -

1 biner medium nuts
1 biner large nuts
3-4 select cams

From there I build as difficulty increases -

+1 grade = adding 2-3 cams
+2 grades = adding 1 biner micro nuts and 2 tricams
+3 grades = adding 2-3 cams
onsight level or above = Full rack

Obviously some climbs have specific protection requirements so you take what you need but this allows you to travel light but safe.

Excellent idea, I never thought of that, maybe I am just too lazy and take the whole rack ! With the weight, it keeps you in shape . !Tongue


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Yeah but wouldn't you rather get that extra fitness by lightening your load and squeezing in an extra pitch or three? Wink


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shoo wrote:
hafilax wrote:
It's not big rack in general but that's a lot to carry on every climb.

+1

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Needs more cowbell!


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Considering you have at least 4 pieces of the same size through the most common Gunks crack sizes, yea, I'd say you have a vary large rack.

Or look at it this way - you are carrying 36 pieces of gear. Have you ever placed even half that number on a single pitch? (I know...gear anchor, blah blah. OK so it's ONLY 33 pieces)


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Considering you have at least 4 pieces of the same size through the most common Gunks crack sizes, yea, I'd say you have a vary large rack.
I'm not 100% on Alien sizes, but he doesn't seem too heavy on the small gear. Often I'll carry two blue and two yellow Metolious cams.

The yellow is a little redundant because it's close to the same size as a pink tri-cam (but I tend to find a ton of finger sized placements), but I love having two blues.

The main thing I'd probably trim down is the number of the medium sized tri-cams he's carrying, but that's not a huge deal.

Just be happy that he's not carrying a full double rack that too many people think are required for areas like the Gunks!

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