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hafilax
Dec 11, 2009, 6:13 PM
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I guess I must not a sport climber because I refuse to climb with self righteous hard asses.
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shockabuku
Dec 11, 2009, 6:35 PM
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j_ung wrote: USnavy wrote: 9. Stop with the negative attitude. Jeesus dood, who the hell are you climbing with?
Yeah, hypocritical much?
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shockabuku
Dec 11, 2009, 6:39 PM
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I don't give a shit about #1. If my partner wants to follow and TR single pitch, so what? Doesn't hurt me and I don't have to worry about arguing over the money pitch.
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petsfed
Dec 11, 2009, 7:14 PM
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Life must be pretty hard if you can't find another partner, but your weak subman can.
Unless of course you don't actually want an equal partnership, but rather someone who could climb at your level if they elected to climb, but really prefers belaying you and only opening their mouth to verbally fellate you (if not fellate you out right).
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johnwesely
Dec 11, 2009, 7:32 PM
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hafilax wrote: I guess I must not a sport climber because I refuse to climb with self righteous hard weak asses. |
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dugl33
Dec 11, 2009, 7:33 PM
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This was actually an entertaining post, and hits on a few peeves -- mostly striking a balance between short-roping and the monster loop of slack on the ground sort of belay.
This said, the only "rule" in climbing is gravity. Everything else is a guideline.
Second, I appreciate your efforts in the service answering the call for our country, but isn't Hawaii pretty much the red-headed step child of climbing? You know, Nebraski, Ohio, Hawaii... are you so in a twist because you are stuck on what is actually a fairly small island, the paradise aspect has lost its luster, and now its just a hot, humid, touron packed cruise-ship you're floating on?
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pylonhead
Dec 11, 2009, 8:34 PM
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I know people like to hate on you, USnavy, but I think this is a pretty good list. I could heartily agree with most of it, and I didn't see anything that was too far off.
One of my partners ran into #3 recently with a unknown belayer that claimed to be experienced . She was leading through a balancy crux move and felt the rope come tight on her. After some harsh words slack was provided.
When she was back on the ground the belayer claimed that some people like a "tight" belay when they climb. That would be correct if "some people" meant gumbies and "climbing" meant top roping. Careful who you let hold your rope.
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shimanilami
Dec 11, 2009, 9:34 PM
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I'm so glad I'm not you.
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kriso9tails
Dec 11, 2009, 9:52 PM
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petsfed wrote: ...but really prefers belaying you and only opening their mouth to verbally fellate you (if not fellate you out right).
In all fairness, it's not like they can give him a decent hand-job instead, as that would break rule #11.
(This post was edited by kriso9tails on Dec 11, 2009, 10:48 PM)
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rainman0915
Dec 12, 2009, 3:16 AM
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hilarious, i literally LOLed
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stagg54
Dec 12, 2009, 3:24 AM
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dan2see wrote: All of your 12 rules require a reasonable standard of performance, and you've explained them, so it's pretty easy to see whether your partner can conform, or not. I can see how a military person would judge this list as cool. And it's good -- we need people like you, in our civilization, for positive strength and integrity. But what bothers me is that ALL your rules are performance-based. Where is the people value? Where is the personal value? Where is the fun? So we should all recognize how "different strokes for different strokes" is a type of rule that supersedes your list. That is, every climber has his own play style, and his own leadership style. I wouldn't hesitate to meet you on the rocks, But those rules automatically bar me (and a lot of my friends) so I'd only say "Hi!" and then wave "Bye" as you disappear up the crag. But to focus on performance? Not for me. There's too much fun in my life is for that! So, USnavy, here's how to fix your list: 1. Focus on values, especially the values that you get from this sport. 2. Think of ways to build those values. 3. Let your friends know how to help you get it. There's no value to gain by judging your friends. You can weed out a lot of riff-raff, but you still can't make anybody conform to standard. Allow folks to do what they do, and figure out how to take advantage of what they offer you. And they will!
And let's all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while we pass around a joint.
You're parents must have been dirty hippies.
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potreroed
Dec 12, 2009, 3:59 AM
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The only pure form of climbing is the naked, barefoot, solo climber--everything else, ropes, chalk, sticky rubber, belayers etc. is a compromise.
Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do.
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USnavy
Dec 12, 2009, 7:19 AM
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potreroed wrote: Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do.
(This post was edited by USnavy on Dec 12, 2009, 7:20 AM)
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petsfed
Dec 12, 2009, 4:34 PM
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stagg54 wrote: And let's all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while we pass around a joint. You're parents must have been dirty hippies.
Actually, I think dan2see is a dirty hippie. Was probably 15 or 16 in 1968.
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altelis
Dec 12, 2009, 4:39 PM
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USnavy wrote: potreroed wrote: Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do. I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.
get the fuck over yourself.
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sknowlton
Dec 12, 2009, 5:02 PM
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Gravity.
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jakedatc
Dec 12, 2009, 5:12 PM
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USnavy wrote: potreroed wrote: Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do. I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.
2009-11-21 Hang Dog 5.12c Slice of Death
2009-11-17 Top Rope 5.12d Dragon Slayer
2009-11-15 Top Rope 5.11b Confusion
2009-10-24 Onsight 5.9 Cat Daddy
2009-10-24 Hang Dog 5.11d The Invisible Seam
2009-10-21 Onsight 5.10b Yankee Clipper (13)
2009-10-21 Hang Dog 5.12a Time Wave Zero
perhaps you should bolt something more within your ability eh?
(btw 5.13 doesn't mean shit unless you are a 14 year old girl, go climb something actually hard and maybe you will fit into your overblown ego)
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dan2see
Dec 12, 2009, 5:34 PM
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petsfed wrote: stagg54 wrote: And let's all sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya while we pass around a joint. You're parents must have been dirty hippies. Actually, I think dan2see is a dirty hippie. Was probably 15 or 16 in 1968.
 How did you know? 
Actually, in 1968, I had already completed 5 years in the Canadian Air Force. I'm much too hippy to join the Navy  .
In 1968, I was riding my third motorcycle, a Triumph Bonneville 650. I was dating my wife. We rode around the small towns of Southern Ontario.
We'd dress in bell-bottom pants (not jeans) and spangles, and cruise Yorkville Village, and groove on live folk and espresso.
A couple of years later, we proceeded to adopt our boy, and then our girl, who were both accidents of college free-love. They're in their mid-thirties now. He sky-dives for fun, and she drives a train for pay.
But  I don't smoke anything, and I hate that kumbaya stuff!
(Edit to add "groove" and "Air Force")
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johnwesely
Dec 12, 2009, 5:52 PM
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USnavy wrote: potreroed wrote: Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do. I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 you want to bolt.
Maybe you should focus on improving your personality before you project your awfulness onto the rock in the form of bolts.
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dan2see
Dec 12, 2009, 5:53 PM
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On the serious side, though, I posted to this topic because of what I see in my own climbing community.
You can define rules and standards, and it's good to do so. It's also good to tell your friends how you feel about them.
But when you're dealing with people, you cannot place your order, and expect delivery. Especially when you're going out to play with a bunch untrained, unpaid amateurs.
Well you can expect any kind of behaviour you choose, but you're not going to get it. People are people, and they will do what people do. USnavy can't change that, and that's the second law he should have promulgated. The first law is: follow your dreams.
So am I a hippy? Sure. But I'm just as much a climber as you guys.
Do I require rule-based standards of behaviour, to succeed on the rocks? Sometimes.
But people-oriented expectations are just as valid, and just as important.
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jcrew
Dec 12, 2009, 6:19 PM
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dan2see wrote: . Do I require rule-based standards of behaviour, to succeed on the rocks? Sometimes. But people-oriented expectations are just as valid, and just as important.
ummmm..... i think i'm following you,....i will say this: climbing is unimportant, period. see how big a deal leading 5.12 or 5.14 is when you're staring down cancer or something like that. climbing is a luxury position.....we should feel fortunate to be getting out, and not being confined to a wheelchair.
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onrockandice
Dec 12, 2009, 6:35 PM
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One of us is doing something wrong. Because I think of these laws I've never had a problem with even one of them.
I think you are not climbing at your limit if you have time to be worried about this.
Further if your partner is pulling a dingus with the ladies and does have a grigri then you should plan a 20 foot whipper to get his attention. Of course plan properly.
Might I even suggest a "Victory Whipper"? Or was that law 14.
With all my climbing partners this has just not ever been an issue. But I'd bring tomatoes in a small haul bag and I'd overhand them at Dingus if he got too frisky with the ladies. That might even be kind of fun. He could bring some too.
RuLz = rUlz = hey... did you have an attorney check these?
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onrockandice
Dec 12, 2009, 6:38 PM
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I walked out of my gym the other day and was facing a 19 year old in a wheel chair. I was lugging shoes, chock, gear and I remember looking him in the eyes and wishing that I could give him 1 day of trading places. Just 1 day to let him run and be free again.
Good post man. The best so far. Climbing is a luxury and there is no law that guarantees we get to do that. One mistake and I'm the one in the chair. Where are all those laws now?
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rockforlife
Dec 12, 2009, 8:18 PM
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USnavy wrote: potreroed wrote: Top roping is a perfectly legitimate form of climbing, as long as you are honest about what you did and didn't do. I can agree with that. Like I said, TR is good for training regardless if thats learning how to climb or working the moves out on a 5.13 5.15 you want to bolt.
unless you are a giant pussy....
you are such a moron, why just because you climb at grade 5.xx is it that every one who climbs at a lower grade than you is a wuss.
so what they want to toprope all day, great that is there own choice.
Also i do climb sport, but also trad, so what happens when some guy on trad shows you up on a 5.13+ trad climb and calls you a giant pussy?? He is obviously better than you....
I put no climber above another, and i don;t mind some people being a little cocky. but you have to be more good then cocky, not more cocky then good, as in your case.
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