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onrockandice
Feb 16, 2010, 6:31 PM
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I'm a gumby and I'm unsure how to stow my ice tools on the osprey 40 pack. I've got stout nylon loops at the base of the pack (2 of them) up agove them I have bungee cord-locked loops. Do I put the picks up high on the pack and the handles down low or vice-versa. The directions don't show and Google hasn't been kind to me...
What a stupid question to ask but I don't want to look like the gumby I am. I want people to think I'm a hardman and that the iceman cometh.
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altelis
Feb 16, 2010, 6:35 PM
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orient the bag so that the part that goes on your back is on the floor
lay the ice tool on the bag so the spike is at the bottom and the pick is toward the top of the pack and the pick is FACING THE CENTER
push the ice tool all the way through the loop at the bottom, spike first, until the loop "catches' on the head of the axe. the pick should be up against the loop at the bottom of the pack and the spike and shaft should be BEYOND the bottom of the bag.
now grab the spike and rotate it UP and over the bottom of the bag so that the spike is now at the top of the bag. this motion should create a "hammock" out of the loop of webbing so that it is cradling the head/pick of the axe.
use the bungee to strap the shaft to the bag.
done.
EDIT to Add PICTURES AND A LINK (EASILY FOUND WITH GOOGLE):
http://www.trails.com/...ch-ice-axe-pack.html
It should be obvious to you if you do it otherwise, but it is quite unsafe to attach your axes to your pack with the picks facing OUT. It'll look scary and wrong, but just make sure. Facing in they won't snag you or anything else in a tumble. Out, not so much.
(This post was edited by altelis on Feb 16, 2010, 6:41 PM)
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altelis
Feb 16, 2010, 6:42 PM
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Also, something to think about. I've always never really enjoyed the bungee attachments. If its not a pain, I usually replace them with webbing and a quick release buckle.
There are pros and cons to both systems, so I usually haven't spent too much time or effort to mod in either direction..
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onrockandice
Feb 16, 2010, 8:27 PM
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altelis wrote: (EASILY FOUND WITH GOOGLE)
It's funny how easy I can find something when I know all about it, the terms etc... it's hard when I'm knew to something and maybe word it wrong.
Be that as may you've perfectly answered my question and my tools are now snugly secured. I get it now. It's amazing what a picture can do.
I appreciate the time you took to answer.
Thank You!
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altelis
Feb 16, 2010, 8:37 PM
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No worries. And you are right- its way easier to find something you know about than to learn something new while using google.
Glad that made sense. Its one of those things that doesn't necessarily jump out at you but is TERRIBLY easy once you see it :)
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onrockandice
Feb 16, 2010, 9:23 PM
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Yeah. I was reading it and I was like ... uh ... er ... then I looked down at the picture and then kept reading and had that pivotal aha moment.
No matter how long I've climbed and what I've learned and truly I've learned a lot there's always a better, safer or smarter way to do something.
The most damaging thing to do is to not ask or to ask in such a way you piss people off.
I think I'm starting to establish myself here just a tiny bit which is good. I figure in another year or so I might actually know someone's first name.  But I don't want to move too fast.
Again, thank you!
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qtm
Feb 17, 2010, 11:59 AM
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altelis wrote: Also, something to think about. I've always never really enjoyed the bungee attachments. If its not a pain, I usually replace them with webbing and a quick release buckle. There are pros and cons to both systems, so I usually haven't spent too much time or effort to mod in either direction..
Yeah, I like mine a little more secure. Picked up a double sided velcro system; one side velcros into the daisy, the other side holds the tool. Probably could have made one myself had I figured out what I needed.
Also, before flipping up, I give the tool a couple of twists; clockwise for the left and counter-clockwise for the right. When flipped, the loops try to untwist, forcing the picks against the pack instead of flopping around. Just make sure that the twisted loop still goes under the tool head when flipped up or it could still slip out.
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gmggg
Feb 17, 2010, 12:46 PM
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+1 for velcro.
I like that twist idea too...
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floating_bottle
Feb 17, 2010, 1:33 PM
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Has anyone come up with an ingenious way to secure tools that don't have hammers/adzes (eg, nomics)?
I put them through the loops until the loop is just below the head of the tool, then rotate the tool until the loop is pretty tight.
This works okay, but the tools/loops tend to loosen up during long approaches.
I twist them on pretty tight, but don't want to twist so tight I tear the stitching out.
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onrockandice
Feb 17, 2010, 8:56 PM
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floating_bottle wrote: Has anyone come up with an ingenious way to secure tools that don't have hammers/adzes (eg, nomics)?
I had to ponder this and came up with something I liked quite a bit last night. It turns out that it suits me well as I normally have 3 biners on my outside pack for securing water, helmet, shoes or something thereof.
If you look closely I thread the "hammock" loop through the leash eyelet starting at bottom, wrap around to the top and thread down in. Clip both loops with a locker and for me it's a very tight way to carry. I did an approach today and didn't have any noticeable rattle from it.
Since all uploaded photos have to be approved (or at least mine do) I made it my profile pic. So go have a look and you'll see what I mean. YMMV but it works great for me.
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