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Mar 11, 2010, 11:02 AM
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I heard there was an accident in Joshua Tree last weekend? Anyone have any info on it?


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Mar 15, 2010, 8:32 AM
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EDIT: I guess this happens just about every weekend in JTree. The following account refers to an accident on Sunday, March 14th.

Midday Sunday on "Loose Lady", a guy fell and was airlifted out. A friend was in the area and said the climber fell ~40' onto the boulders at the base. He said the climber was rappelling and cleaning his draws off the route when he fell. The climber apparently had one strand of the rope in the belay device when it was removed from his harness. Based on that second hand account, it sounds like he rapped off the end of the rope. We saw a JTree ranger and JOSAR guy heading out in the afternoon to do an accident investigation - I'm not sure if they post accident reports anywhere the public can access them.

The climber was apparently alive when evac'd from the park and my friend described a broken arm, femur, and head trauma. I don't know if he was wearing a helmet or not.

If anyone has an update on his condition, I'd be interested to hear how he's doing.


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I saw the helicopter land in real hidden valley. Hope this person is ok. best wishes.


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He's stable.


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Mar 15, 2010, 11:59 AM
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Trenchdigger's response is pretty accurate; the injured climber is stable and there is no permanent damage, although he faces a long road before he climbs again.

Thanks to all who changed their climbing pans and helped out.


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Gald to hear he is ok and will recover.

Jason


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Glad to he he's stable. I was actually the first person to get there. Some friends and I were heading out to acid crack and while passing loose lady, was flagged down by the climber's partner who was holding the guy's head up. I ran and got my med bag then returned to the victim. Soon after I was joined by an off duty EMT and a park ranger who had some gear. C-collar and ulnar splint applied right away. He had a closed left femur fracture, a left ulna fracture and a possible basal skull fracture which was lacerated ~3cm. He was wearing a helmet and by the way he impacted, its believed the back bottom part of the helmet took the brunt but still lacerated his scalp. He was awake and coherent during the whole rescue, of which was well done by the SAR response team. The victim himself handled the situation as well as he could; kudos for hanging tough. I'm sure some orthopedic carpentry took part last night. It'd be good to hear more of how he's doing if anyone has updates. As to why he fell, who knows. I was the one that took his reverso off which did only have one side of rope going through; could lead someone to believe that he rapped off the end.. What's done is done and I wish him happy healing.

-Austin


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Lucky guy to have such knowledable people around when he got hurt. I hope he recovers quickly.


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It looks as if ukwill had access to a hospital report or follow up of sort, "the injured climber is stable and there is no permanent damage, although he faces a long road before he climbs again." Where did you get your information Will?

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illusiondweller wrote:
It looks as if ukwill had access to a hospital report or follow up of sort, "the injured climber is stable and there is no permanent damage, although he faces a long road before he climbs again." Where did you get your information Will?

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He was there at the hospital with him. Was it really necessary to check credentials in this situation?


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In keeping to rc.com's policies: "This forum is reserved for polite discussion of specific accidents. Please keep posts on subject and respectful of both the people involved and other users..."

Checking credentials? No. Confirming correct information? Yes.

As having been a professional medical provider for the civilian and military services for 16 years, I can't help but to be interested in injuries and illnesses. This case is no exception. My mind automatically goes into assessment mode when I read of injuries of this nature. Sizing up the scene, reading/looking at all the information available, analyzing, planning, including follow up, is all part of overall patient care.

So, when reading online forums, such as this, I am careful not to be hasty when accepting conclusions for I know how often misinformation is posted. To hear of such final conclusions such as the one stated above I am curious as to where he got his information and what possibly might still be wrong with the patient. I'm just curious is all and if we can be as detailed as we can in our responses, especially in medical situations such as this, a lot of "rumors" can be avoided.

Example: If ukwill had stated that he was there with the patient at the receiving hospital and was told by MD. "Smith" that "the injured climber is stable and there is no permanent damage," then I would be more inclined to accept that information. Then again, even a physician would be reluctant to use "permanent" in his descriptions.

Yes, I may be a bit more critical in how I read things because of my background but I'm just doing what I would normally do, and that is to be as careful and as detailed as I can, as to "do no harm" when providing patient care and reading medical information.

Curious, what hospital was he taken to for this patient obviously met Trauma Center Criteria?


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Mar 16, 2010, 10:12 AM
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illusiondweller wrote:
In keeping to rc.com's policies: "This forum is reserved for polite discussion of specific accidents. Please keep posts on subject and respectful of both the people involved and other users..."

Checking credentials? No. Confirming correct information? Yes.

As having been a professional medical provider for the civilian and military services for 16 years, I can't help but to be interested in injuries and illnesses. This case is no exception. My mind automatically goes into assessment mode when I read of injuries of this nature. Sizing up the scene, reading/looking at all the information available, analyzing, planning, including follow up, is all part of overall patient care.

So, when reading online forums, such as this, I am careful not to be hasty when accepting conclusions for I know how often misinformation is posted. To hear of such final conclusions such as the one stated above I am curious as to where he got his information and what possibly might still be wrong with the patient. I'm just curious is all and if we can be as detailed as we can in our responses, especially in medical situations such as this, a lot of "rumors" can be avoided.

Example: If ukwill had stated that he was there with the patient at the receiving hospital and was told by MD. "Smith" that "the injured climber is stable and there is no permanent damage," then I would be more inclined to accept that information. Then again, even a physician would be reluctant to use "permanent" in his descriptions.

Yes, I may be a bit more critical in how I read things because of my background but I'm just doing what I would normally do, and that is to be as careful and as detailed as I can, as to "do no harm" when providing patient care and reading medical information.

Curious, what hospital was he taken to for this patient obviously met Trauma Center Criteria?
ukwill was present and witness to the accident in question when it happened and was with the victim in the hospital after. The information he choses to provide or confirm is based on first hand knowledge leading up to, during, and after the accident.


socalclimber


Mar 21, 2010, 12:38 PM
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As a general rule, when they fly someone out of here (josh) their going to a trauma center. Most likely he was shipped to Desert Regional Medical Center in Palm Springs. There is also Loma Linda and Arrowhead. All three are trauma centers. Loma Linda is the Level 1 trauma center.


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illusiondweller


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Thanks for that information SoCal, I appreciate it. What private ambulance responds out there for other than trauma candidates, AMR?


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Our local is Morongo Basin Ambulance (MBA). Their on contract with county fire and just about every one else.


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