oh I forgot. You lame asses are primarily talking about clipping bolts, and apparently your belayer is too weak to clean the route when they second it. I forgot that all you gym weenies just clip bolts. My bad. Just expecxt to get your ass handed to you if you are found toproping and lowering off of fixed anchors, (which shouldn't be there in the first place).
Us lame asses are pretty much entirely talking about clipping bolts. The Gunks is kind of a rare situation, with multi-pitch trad climbs in which so many of the routes just get the first pitch gang-toproped off bolted anchors.
Again, you're not really understanding the conditions this thread is referring to when you say "your belayer is too weak to clean the route when they second it". Most of the time, at sport crags, there is no second. Everyone leads it, and the last person up is responsible for cleaning the route on the way down. The question of the thread is: on rappel, or on lower.
But I agree that in the Gunks, those convenience bolted stations shouldn't even be there. Of course we both know that if they weren't there all kinds of fixed mank would appear in their place. So the bolts are most likely the lesser of two evils anyway.
I'm going to TR through the Laurel anchors alll fucking day just to spite Rob.. oh wait.. the guided parties do that all fucking day anyway. saves me time.