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johnbarleycorn


May 11, 2010, 8:49 PM
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dogs at echo cliffs  (North_America: United_States: California: Los_Angeles_County: Echo_Cliffs)
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does anyone know if there is a by-pass for the re-bar ladder at echo cliffs? i've seen dogs past the ladder before and we will have a dog with us, but it's a large (80lbs) dog that can't be handed down the ladder and i wouldn't feel comfortable trying to lower him. we can split up and use different trails on the way in but i don't want to have to strand part of the group on one side of the ladder. thanks.

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johnbarleycorn wrote:
does anyone know if there is a by-pass for the re-bar ladder at echo cliffs? i've seen dogs past the ladder before and we will have a dog with us, but it's a large (80lbs) dog that can't be handed down the ladder and i wouldn't feel comfortable trying to lower him. we can split up and use different trails on the way in but i don't want to have to strand part of the group on one side of the ladder. thanks.

jb

Nowhere near me, but this thread about recent NPS bolt removal indicates dogs are not allowed at Echo. Per socalbolter's post after talking to the head ranger:
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Specific to Echo, please remember:

No trash left behind.
No dogs at the crag.
No fires.
No overnight camping at the crag or parking areas.
No cross-country travel.
No climbing in closed areas.

That should probably be added to the area's info page, which currently only gives a different impression, saying:
In reply to:
Dogs are allowed on the trails, but not on the cliff.

In either case, the info is probably missed as it is less obvious in the "access issues" section after lat/long, and not noted in the "About Echo" section.


jt512


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johnbarleycorn wrote:
does anyone know if there is a by-pass for the re-bar ladder at echo cliffs? i've seen dogs past the ladder before and we will have a dog with us, but it's a large (80lbs) dog that can't be handed down the ladder and i wouldn't feel comfortable trying to lower him. we can split up and use different trails on the way in but i don't want to have to strand part of the group on one side of the ladder. thanks.

jb

Please stop bringing dogs to Echo Cliffs. It's against NPS regulations, and the area has recently come under close NPS scrutiny. If we don't play by the rules at Echo, we may find that the Park Service closes it to climbing.

We've already lost Williamson, and we're likely to lose New Jack due to proposed wind and solar energy development there. We can't afford to lose Echo, too.

Please cooperate.

Jay


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i didn't feel like advertising that this is a service dog, but it is and by law it goes anywhere the disabled person goes. that includes national parks. be it echo or williamson. and, btw, dogs aren't the problems, it's the owners, but that's just my opinion. wasn't aware that echo was now a national park. thanks for the help anyway.

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johnbarleycorn wrote:
...wasn't aware that echo was now a national park. thanks for the help anyway.

Echo is located within the Santa Monica National Recreation area, which is under NPS jurisdiction. And the rangers are watching.

Jay


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... btw, dogs aren't the problems, it's the owners, but that's just my opinion. ...

jb

And this chicken / egg logic solves what exactly? All you're doing is arguing for people to re-direct anger from the poor defenseless pooch who really just wants to hang around at the base of cliff because that's what dogs would naturally do, to the evil human overlords that haven't trained their dogs to sniff other human's crotches in a nice way. None of this mis-direction matters: if a dog isn't allowed, it's not allowed (obviously your case is the exception).


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jt512 wrote:
johnbarleycorn wrote:
...wasn't aware that echo was now a national park. thanks for the help anyway.

Echo is located within the Santa Monica National Recreation area, which is under NPS jurisdiction. And the rangers are watching.

Jay

Hard to say what is really happening...

check out Tony Bird and the Chief's postings, concerning Williamson and Echo.

http://www.supertopo.com/...d=1159310&tn=120

http://www.supertopo.com/...d=1159310&tn=140


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