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tradmania
May 19, 2010, 1:30 AM
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Now these are good reasons, and I can see why having a full strength haul-loop would be a benefit in these scenarios. But if you are trad climbing with a lead rope, and hauling a tag line, why not just climb with double ropes? It gives you far more options with only minimal weight gain.
(This post was edited by tradmania on May 19, 2010, 1:33 AM)
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altelis
May 19, 2010, 2:25 AM
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I'm no whitewater expert, in fact it scares the crap out of me. I'm not contradicting just asking:
It was my understanding that during whitewater rescue you were only to be clipped into points that could be released quickly. Isn't that the whole point of the rescue PFD's- they have the metal ring that can be quickly freed in case the rope goes from friend to pulling-me-under-water?
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socalclimber
May 19, 2010, 3:26 AM
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cracklover wrote: Bad idea with or without a full-strenghth haul loop. Although at least they'll only be in pain, rather than actually injured, since the forces generated in a TR fall aren't bad.
Unless you're being belayed by some of the people on this site...
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summerprophet
May 19, 2010, 2:16 PM
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Tradmania,
Haul lines are functionally different than double rope climbing.
A haul line is for hauling up a backpack, or haulbag upon completion of the pitch. If you were to use double rope techniques, the second rope would be clipped in, and the second would have to free the haulbag from every piece.
Altelis
Firstly, I am not a swiftwater guy, I am a high angle, and mountain rescue person, but we operate over water.
The scenario described would have a belayer on shore connected to the rear haul loop. The idea is to have ropes and equipment away from the front, where hopefully you will be grabbing a victom, ,or throwing a tow line. As the belay anchor acts as a radius point, you SHOULD be swung back to the shore if you loose your footing. That being said, with ANY belay involving unknown or changing forces, a knife is kept at the ready to cut the belay loose.
NOTE: before a knife is considered, a full analysis of the result is used, before anybody is on the system. This is part of the critical analysis pre-planning stage.
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altelis
May 20, 2010, 3:51 AM
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AHHHH, for a person doing rescue FROM THE SHORE!
That makes so much more sense! All my raft guide/swift water rescue friends have PFD's that look like this:
That's connected to a quick-release system in the front. But they are working from in the water/boat, NOT from shore. Cheers, that makes sense!
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