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Hey, my buddy and are working on a wall and the hike isn't easy, a little over 3 miles and about 1500 vertical. Doing this with doubles, aid gear, bolting gear, and camping gear is tiresome, every weekend. I was thinking of bringing a standard 5 gallon bucket up and stashing some gear in there. Will this work, or will the infamous marmot be able to eat its way through? Any advice on storing gear would be greatly appreciated.


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If you can find something overhanging, hang the bucket bear-bag style. Marmots are wiley creatures, but they don't climb that well.


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Hey, my buddy and are working on a wall and the hike isn't easy, a little over 3 miles and about 1500 vertical. Doing this with doubles, aid gear, bolting gear, and camping gear is tiresome, every weekend. I was thinking of bringing a standard 5 gallon bucket up and stashing some gear in there. Will this work, or will the infamous marmot be able to eat its way through? Any advice on storing gear would be greatly appreciated.

I remember how two our friends where crying for days after their 5 gal was stolen with $1500 worth of new gear near half dome


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Eeeeks that is a bummer. However, I'm not worried about that where we are climbing.


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Yes they can easily chew through a bucket. As mentioned, hang it and don't leave even a crumb of food in it.


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Cool, thanks for the info guys.

Bucket + Hanging - Any Food = Easy Hiking and good climbing.


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petsfed wrote:
If you can find something overhanging, hang the bucket bear-bag style. Marmots are wiley creatures, but they don't climb that well.

just like angry and majid! Tongue


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Marmots are awesome I once had a friend that bought a stuffed marmot it was hilarious...yeah I have also seen marmots on roof tops...


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scottek67 wrote:
petsfed wrote:
If you can find something overhanging, hang the bucket bear-bag style. Marmots are wiley creatures, but they don't climb that well.

just like angry and majid! Tongue

watch it meister


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scottek67 wrote:
petsfed wrote:
If you can find something overhanging, hang the bucket bear-bag style. Marmots are wiley creatures, but they don't climb that well.

just like angry and majid! Tongue

Win!


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Another option would be on the kevlar bear sacks or HDPE bear canisters. Not terribly pricey, but much more secure against the gnawing of all animals, big and small.


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Why not paint the bucket to match the rock and hang it 20 feet or so up the wall? Maybe even use a fifi or S-hook so that you can retrieve it with a long stick.


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Marmots eat food, not gear.


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Jnclk wrote:
Marmots eat food, not gear.

Not always true. Many have learned that food is stored in man-made objects like backpacks, canisters, etc. They will often chew their way in to check this out.

I have also heard of them chewing apart an entire shoulder strap, even though no food was present, probably because it tasted of perspiration salts.

I have had pika and chipmunks chew into my tent on separate occasions, even with no food inside.


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edge wrote:
Jnclk wrote:
Marmots eat food, not gear.

Not always true. Many have learned that food is stored in man-made objects like backpacks, canisters, etc. They will often chew their way in to check this out.

I have also heard of them chewing apart an entire shoulder strap, even though no food was present, probably because it tasted of perspiration salts.

I have had pika and chipmunks chew into my tent on separate occasions, even with no food inside.

In a people populated area maybe, on a back country route, I doubt it.


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Jnclk wrote:
Marmots eat food, not gear.

True, but if they smell something they aren't used to they'll at least chew into to check it out...you've never had your had or sandals or backpack chewed? Critters be lurking :P


But yea, looks like some type of canister and hanging it is the way to go.

/threadsolved


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Jnclk wrote:
Marmots eat food, not gear.
I have backpack straps and ice axe leashes that prove this wrong. All chewed by marmots while alpine climbing in RMNP. My guess is that they liked the salt. I also have a friend that had a rope stashed at the base of a route in RMNP that was chewed up. Not sure what they wanted there, since there shouldn't really be any salt on a rope.


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brokesomeribs wrote:
Another option would be on the kevlar bear sacks or HDPE bear canisters. Not terribly pricey, but much more secure against the gnawing of all animals, big and small.

Are the kevlar bear sacks back on the market? Yes, they are great against marmots/squirrels, but when they turned out to be less than 100% successful against bears, I thought they stopped being marketed.


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Jnclk wrote:
Marmots eat food, not gear.

Not true at all. A friend of mine had his harness waist belt chewed and it was only left out overnight, others have had trekking pole grips, pack straps and all sorts of other stuff gnawed on.

Salt is one of the rarest nutrients in the alpine environment (ever notice how mountain goats will rush to drink your pee?) and your nylon gear almost certainly has enough on it to make it interesting to the local Snafflehounds.


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Just keep hauling the shit back and forth, it will do wonders for your physical conditioning


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If there are rocks, you can bury it. I wouldn't do it with dirt or a shovel, just pile rocks over your gear. This is really only realistic in a scree field. Also, you need to put a pole or flag on it, it's easy to lose when you bury stuff.


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sspssp wrote:
brokesomeribs wrote:
Another option would be on the kevlar bear sacks or HDPE bear canisters. Not terribly pricey, but much more secure against the gnawing of all animals, big and small.

Are the kevlar bear sacks back on the market? Yes, they are great against marmots/squirrels, but when they turned out to be less than 100% successful against bears, I thought they stopped being marketed.

They work great against animals with teeth. Production was stopped because our military needed huge amounts of kevlar. They are back in stock.

http://www.ursack.com/ursack-catalog.htm


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The area some friends of mine are developing is 45 min to the closest wall and the hike is pretty intense. We used the five gallon bucket trick for a couple of years but at the start of this season four of them hauled up a huge outdoor metal tool box and a generator to charge the hilti batteries. I of course was very unlucky and had to stay in town because I had to work.


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ghost?


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amyas wrote:
ghost?

Nope but you are within a couple hundred kms


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