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Gmburns2000


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So I'm looking for a new camera. I currently have the Canon Powershot A720 IS from a couple of years ago, and it's been a great camera. Unforunately, I've used it primarily for climbing and dust has settled on the lens and I don't know how to clean it properly (I've tried various options, but I can't seem to get the lens clean. As a result, I get "glare" spots. If anyone has any tricks, then I'd be happy to try them, but I digress).

I'm looking at a couple of cameras and I'm hoping some folks have some experience with them and can give some feedback. Cameras are listed below.

Camera would primarily be used for climbing, but not exclusively. I do travel a lot and like to take pics of village & city life, too. I'm not much for nature photos per se, unless they're climbing related. A good landscape (wide lens) option is preferable. I don't do a lot (if any) high speed photography.

Ease of carrying the camera on my harness would be nice (my current one is very easy with the case I bought), but I'm willing to work around that.

I have an old Pentax SLR with two great Tamaron lenses. Would love to get a DSLR that would accept these lenses, but it's not a requirement. I would really like to get back to interchangeable lenses, but not for climbing. If anyone has recommendations on how to use my existing, old Tamaron lenses (one is a wide lens and the other a zoom), then that'd be awesome, too, but I realize the effort to do that may not be worth it in the end.

I'm considering either a P&S or low-end DSLR. my choices are:

Canon Powershot A720 (same as my current one) at $430

Canon Powershot S90 at $430

Nikon D5000 at $520 - I can't tell if this has a removable lens or not. It looks as if it does, but I can't find anywhere on the internet that says it does.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF1 at about $600

Thoughts? Recommendations? Other cameras worth looking at?

I really don't want to get in to the $700 range if possible, but if there's something substantially better that sits in that range then I'm willing to listen.

Thanks...


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I can't tell you about the other cameras, but I have a D5000 and it is a great camera. The D5000 is a DSLR so yes it has a changeable lens. It is the same as the old 35mm cameras, but with that you also have the added weight and if you break it it will cost to get it fixed.

Hope this helps.


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wrbill wrote:
I can't tell you about the other cameras, but I have a D5000 and it is a great camera. The D5000 is a DSLR so yes it has a changeable lens. It is the same as the old 35mm cameras, but with that you also have the added weight and if you break it it will cost to get it fixed.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, it's a start. I like that camera, too, just not sure if it is worth having that as my primary climbing camera or not.

But thanks again, knowing about the lenses helps.


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bump...mainly because I just realized the nearest decent camera shop is over an hour away. It would be nice to have a few more hits before I drive somewhere only find out they don't have what I'm looking for.


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I have a D5000, and it's a pretty nice body. I suspect you'll be able to get an adapter that will allow you to use your old Tamron lenses, but I don't know whether metering or AF will be possible, and the lack of a focusing screen makes manual focusing something of a crapshoot.

The kit lens that usually comes with the D5000, a slow-ish 17-55, is pretty nice, and the VR, combined with pretty good high ISO performance, means you can shoot in pretty low light even with the slow glass.

That said, I've heard great things about the S90s, but I've never gotten to use one, myself.


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styndall wrote:
I have a D5000, and it's a pretty nice body. I suspect you'll be able to get an adapter that will allow you to use your old Tamron lenses, but I don't know whether metering or AF will be possible, and the lack of a focusing screen makes manual focusing something of a crapshoot.

The kit lens that usually comes with the D5000, a slow-ish 17-55, is pretty nice, and the VR, combined with pretty good high ISO performance, means you can shoot in pretty low light even with the slow glass.

That said, I've heard great things about the S90s, but I've never gotten to use one, myself.

Awesome, thanks!

How easy it is to take climbing with you? And by climbing I mean on multi-pitch routes with a normal rack.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
styndall wrote:
I have a D5000, and it's a pretty nice body. I suspect you'll be able to get an adapter that will allow you to use your old Tamron lenses, but I don't know whether metering or AF will be possible, and the lack of a focusing screen makes manual focusing something of a crapshoot.

The kit lens that usually comes with the D5000, a slow-ish 17-55, is pretty nice, and the VR, combined with pretty good high ISO performance, means you can shoot in pretty low light even with the slow glass.

That said, I've heard great things about the S90s, but I've never gotten to use one, myself.

Awesome, thanks!

How easy it is to take climbing with you? And by climbing I mean on multi-pitch routes with a normal rack.
I find an SLR just too big and bulky to take on a climb. IOW, I carried it once and only once on a climb. After that it either stayed on the ground or I used it when I was explicitly and only doing photography (eg: hiking/class 3 scrambling to a good vantage point or rapping in from the top), not climbing. For climbing, a small, lightweight point and shoot that can be operated with one hand is my choice.

Regarding the Nikon DSLR's - the D5000 sensor and internal software is the same as the significantly more expensive D300; the AF sensors and software is identical to that of the D90. The difference is the D90 has more discrete external controls - the same functions are in the D5000, but accessed through the menu or as sub-functions. The D90 is also larger and heavier, significantly more expensive, and lacks the fold-out LCD of the D5000. So, assess if you really can't live without the features of the D90.

As far as an adapter for the Tamron lenses...if it exists, you'd loose some key functionality of the lenses. Besides, why would you want to put inferior glass on a Nikon? The D5000 kit lens may not be very fast, but its optical quality is excellent and it does have image stabilization (what Nikon calls VR - vibration reduction; it gives you about an extra stop before needing a tripod.)

You might want to read the various articles at Ken Rockwell's site, starting with:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/...ommended-cameras.htm
...and following links of interest from that article.


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marc801 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
styndall wrote:
I have a D5000, and it's a pretty nice body. I suspect you'll be able to get an adapter that will allow you to use your old Tamron lenses, but I don't know whether metering or AF will be possible, and the lack of a focusing screen makes manual focusing something of a crapshoot.

The kit lens that usually comes with the D5000, a slow-ish 17-55, is pretty nice, and the VR, combined with pretty good high ISO performance, means you can shoot in pretty low light even with the slow glass.

That said, I've heard great things about the S90s, but I've never gotten to use one, myself.

Awesome, thanks!

How easy it is to take climbing with you? And by climbing I mean on multi-pitch routes with a normal rack.
I find an SLR just too big and bulky to take on a climb. IOW, I carried it once and only once on a climb. After that it either stayed on the ground or I used it when I was explicitly and only doing photography (eg: hiking/class 3 scrambling to a good vantage point or rapping in from the top), not climbing. For climbing, a small, lightweight point and shoot that can be operated with one hand is my choice.

Regarding the Nikon DSLR's - the D5000 sensor and internal software is the same as the significantly more expensive D300; the AF sensors and software is identical to that of the D90. The difference is the D90 has more discrete external controls - the same functions are in the D5000, but accessed through the menu or as sub-functions. The D90 is also larger and heavier, significantly more expensive, and lacks the fold-out LCD of the D5000. So, assess if you really can't live without the features of the D90.

As far as an adapter for the Tamron lenses...if it exists, you'd loose some key functionality of the lenses. Besides, why would you want to put inferior glass on a Nikon? The D5000 kit lens may not be very fast, but its optical quality is excellent and it does have image stabilization (what Nikon calls VR - vibration reduction; it gives you about an extra stop before needing a tripod.)

You might want to read the various articles at Ken Rockwell's site, starting with:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/...ommended-cameras.htm
...and following links of interest from that article.

Thanks, I'll check out that link.

I just drove around to the various large stores (target, walmart, etc) to see if they had these cameras in stock. A couple of them had the D5000, and yeah, it's big, too big for climbing. I can see where it would be a nice camera for travel, but not for climbing.

I'm kind of bummed that I wasn't able to find the S90 anywhere. I feel it would be a good camera for climbing, but the knock that I read is that it is rectangular (i.e. - without a handle, so to speak), which is not the case for my A720, and the A720 is probably about the same size.

Taking my camera to a camera repair shop tomorrow to see what he can do. Hopefully he can fix it. If so, I'd rather do that than buy a new camera, but if I have to, at the moment, I'm looking at buying the same one that I currently have for climbing specific photos.


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Thanks, I'll check out that link.

I just drove around to the various large stores (target, walmart, etc) to see if they had these cameras in stock. A couple of them had the D5000, and yeah, it's big, too big for climbing. I can see where it would be a nice camera for travel, but not for climbing.
An SLR - film or digital - sorta has a certain minimum size, and even the smallest and lightest is still too big for most people to want to carry on a climb.

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I'm kind of bummed that I wasn't able to find the S90 anywhere. I feel it would be a good camera for climbing, but the knock that I read is that it is rectangular (i.e. - without a handle, so to speak), which is not the case for my A720, and the A720 is probably about the same size.
In that Rockwell article, he calls the S90 the "World's Best Digital Pocket Camera", but also speaks highly of the G11.


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marc801 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Thanks, I'll check out that link.

I just drove around to the various large stores (target, walmart, etc) to see if they had these cameras in stock. A couple of them had the D5000, and yeah, it's big, too big for climbing. I can see where it would be a nice camera for travel, but not for climbing.
An SLR - film or digital - sorta has a certain minimum size, and even the smallest and lightest is still too big for most people to want to carry on a climb.

In reply to:
I'm kind of bummed that I wasn't able to find the S90 anywhere. I feel it would be a good camera for climbing, but the knock that I read is that it is rectangular (i.e. - without a handle, so to speak), which is not the case for my A720, and the A720 is probably about the same size.
In that Rockwell article, he calls the S90 the "World's Best Digital Pocket Camera", but also speaks highly of the G11.

He wrote pretty glowing reviews for both of them in fact.

Still concerned about being able to hold on to the S90 without some sort of bump to hold on to.


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I just got one of these:

Sony-DSC-HX5V

I'm amazed at how well it's been working. It has a really nice sensor, some innovative features (Panorama, nice burst settings, bracketing, reasonable manual control for a P&S)

More importantly, from a climbing perspective, it has built in HDR. It's not absolutely perfect, but for the most part you can expect to see some blue sky peeking out from around the arete or over that roof.

Really great camera, I highly recommend it!


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Thanks, I'll check that out, too.

Heading to the camera repair shop here in a few minutes. Will see what the guy has to say.


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Just brought my camera in to the repair shop today and, upon closer inspection, the smudges on the lens are tiny scratches. So, no repair for me; a new camera is required. Unsure

Strongly leaning toward my current or the S90, with X-mas gift certicates going toward the D5000 before I head south for the winter.


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Panasonic FZ35 (FZ38) and Canon SX20 IS


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stacky wrote:
Panasonic FZ35 (FZ38) and Canon SX20 IS

thanks, I'll check those out.


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The Canon S90 has been discontinued and the new version, the S95, is available at Adorama and B&H for $30 less than the S90. Good preliminary review here: http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/s95.htm

Also, I just spent a week in Alaska traveling with two people who had the G11. Nice camera but, for me, it falls out of the middle. It's too big for shirt pockets and gear slings so I won't carry it on climbs, and the additional features it offers (manual control of aperture and shutter speed) over the S95 are meaningless in a camera without direct shutter control. The G11 is plagued by the same problem that plagues every PHD camera: shutter lag. They don't go off when you push the button.

If you're worried about the lack of a hand grip, you can build one up with Plast-Aid (http://www.plast-aid.com/) and cover it with Bulldog tape.

Mal


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maldaly wrote:
The Canon S90 has been discontinued and the new version, the S95, is available at Adorama and B&H for $30 less than the S90. Good preliminary review here: http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/s95.htm

Also, I just spent a week in Alaska traveling with two people who had the G11. Nice camera but, for me, it falls out of the middle. It's too big for shirt pockets and gear slings so I won't carry it on climbs, and the additional features it offers (manual control of aperture and shutter speed) over the S95 are meaningless in a camera without direct shutter control. The G11 is plagued by the same problem that plagues every PHD camera: shutter lag. They don't go off when you push the button.

If you're worried about the lack of a hand grip, you can build one up with Plast-Aid (http://www.plast-aid.com/) and cover it with Bulldog tape.

Mal

Thanks Malcolm. I did not know that the S90 was now the S95, so that helps.

Also, thanks for the handle tip. That's a really good idea.


edit - I replied to you with a response meant for AB and vice versa. Blush


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I have taken an Olympus EP1 with me up on climbs - multi-pitch and alpine, and have never felt that it was too heavy or bulky. I carry it in it's own shoulder case. It's very similiar to the Panasonic GF1 but the GF1 is lighter and I think a better option of the two. There are two lenses you can get with it plus an array of others lenses with an attachment but I've not used any of them. I use the fixed lens when I want lighter and smaller and the zoom when I'm okay with the extra bulk.
I guess it depends on what you're willing to carry and what kind of shots you want to capture. I've never been happy with point and shoot results and the Micro 4/3 cameras I think are a good alternative to a DSLR.

Edited to add one note that I usually don't carry this camera when I lead and I'm not climbing routes that are that difficult. But I do think they are worth checking out.


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jnm1 wrote:
I have taken an Olympus EP1 with me up on climbs - multi-pitch and alpine, and have never felt that it was too heavy or bulky. I carry it in it's own shoulder case. It's very similiar to the Panasonic GF1 but the GF1 is lighter and I think a better option of the two. There are two lenses you can get with it plus an array of others lenses with an attachment but I've not used any of them. I use the fixed lens when I want lighter and smaller and the zoom when I'm okay with the extra bulk.
I guess it depends on what you're willing to carry and what kind of shots you want to capture. I've never been happy with point and shoot results and the Micro 4/3 cameras I think are a good alternative to a DSLR.

Edited to add one note that I usually don't carry this camera when I lead and I'm not climbing routes that are that difficult. But I do think they are worth checking out.

Yeah, I think I need a P&S for climbing for now. Just too many opportunities to lose money with a nice DSLR.

I'm still thinking about a DSLR for other things though.


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the problem with dslrs is the cost....you will want more and more lenses, flashes, bags, remotes, battery grips etc. sweet jebus it never ends!

that being said I love my d90 with the 18-200 and 10-20 sigma for the wide stuff.

good luck!


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hey dude,

how's the climbing going for you out there? We met at Turkey Rocks, right?

Anyway, I recently dropped my cell phone in the drink at the 'Gunks and had to splurge on a new phone. So that lowered my budget a bit.

The cameras I want are kind of expensive at about $300-$400 now as a result of this recent development. Not sure what I'm going to do, but I'm leaning toward the S95. I tried to buy my old camera, but the price has skyrocketed from $400 when it first came out to $700 now. Holy jeebus! Shocked


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
stacky wrote:
Panasonic FZ35 (FZ38) and Canon SX20 IS

thanks, I'll check those out.
You'll find the SX20 too big and bulky for climbing. It's almost like an SLR but without a removable lens. Good camera though - I have the much earlier S3-IS, which has enabled me to put off purchasing a dSLR until the features/price ratio was more to my liking, as it is now with Nikon D5000 (but again, not for carrying on a climb).


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I seen three of my friends with Canon G10. All three either went to Everest, k2 or some other extreme mountains.


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marc801 wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
stacky wrote:
Panasonic FZ35 (FZ38) and Canon SX20 IS

thanks, I'll check those out.
You'll find the SX20 too big and bulky for climbing. It's almost like an SLR but without a removable lens. Good camera though - I have the much earlier S3-IS, which has enabled me to put off purchasing a dSLR until the features/price ratio was more to my liking, as it is now with Nikon D5000 (but again, not for carrying on a climb).

yeah, I checked both of those out: both too bulky and not enough camera for what I'd want. If I'm going to go that bulky, I'd rather have the SLR.


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majid_sabet wrote:
I seen three of my friends with Canon G10. All three either went to Everest, k2 or some other extreme mountains.

I'll check that out, too.

Lots of good suggestions here folks, thanks a bunch.

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