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Poll: Should posts be editable after they are made and if so, for how long after?
No change should be made.  Users should be able to edit their posts for as long as they are members. 67 / 43%
Posts should never be editable.  Once they are made, they are permanent. 7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 year after they are made. 3 / 2%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 month after they are made.  7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 2 weeks after they are made. 7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 week after they are made. 25 / 16%
Posts should only be editable for up to 3 days after they are made. 39 / 25%
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This thread and poll is for the purpose of discussing whether posts should be editable after they are made and if so, for how long after. I have been told that the evolution of this conversation may have an influence on how seriously a change will be considered by the sites admin. and what shape that change may take. That being the case, things would be best served by staying on track and not bringing recent events in to this thread.

I personally feel that the OP should have the ability to edit or delete their posts for a period 10 days after they are made, beyond that time posts become a permanent part of the archive and can only be altered or removed by a mod.

My argument for why editability needs to be limited has already been made clear so I will not crowd the thread with it right now. At this point I am just curious to hear what everyone else thinks. It doesn’t matter if you've been a member for 2 weeks or 8 years, please speak up, or at least vote.


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Clearly, there are issues with the current model. I now feel that posts should be editable for 48 to 72 hours to allow the poster to correct errors, add content, delete his post etc. That should be ample time for those purposes. After that, the post should be considered part of the RC.com archive.

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curt wrote:
Clearly, there are issues with the current model. I now feel that posts should be editable for 48 to 72 hours to allow the poster to correct errors, add content, delete his post etc. That should be ample time for those purposes. After that, the post should be considered part of the RC.com archive.

Curt

The reason I would suggest a slightly longer time frame is due to the fact that sometimes a person may have cause to edit a post after another user raises an objection to some portion of it and not everyone signs on daily. 1-2 weeks allows time for an issue to be raised and corrected without mod intervention.

Although people do usually get called on something questionable pretty quick, so maybe that is not necessary.


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Aug 18, 2010, 6:27 PM
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notapplicable wrote:
curt wrote:
Clearly, there are issues with the current model. I now feel that posts should be editable for 48 to 72 hours to allow the poster to correct errors, add content, delete his post etc. That should be ample time for those purposes. After that, the post should be considered part of the RC.com archive.

Curt

The reason I would suggest a slightly longer time frame is due to the fact that sometimes a person may have cause to edit a post after another user raises an objection to some portion of it and not everyone signs on daily. 1-2 weeks allows time for an issue to be raised and corrected without mod intervention.

Although people do usually get called on something questionable pretty quick, so maybe that is not necessary.

This is my opinion as a member of this community and not as a moderator of this site.

I personally have always felt that if you don't want it read, then don't put it on the internet. The model I refer to is this, don't post something online that you don't want an employer (current or future) to read. Don't post something online that you would feel uncomfortable with your most conservative family members seeing or reading and you should be fine. And lastly, treat people with the same respect you would treat them with in person. That should remove almost all instances of the need to edit.


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/\/\/\/\/\ Wot she said. I totally agree with that sentiment.

News item on the radio today says that google is suggesting that some people may have to change their identity to get away from some of the content they have uploaded on to the intartubes.

It irks me no end that users will come to us after the fact and ask us to wholesale delete their stuff. They invariably have been a twat and they aren't brave enough to stand behind what they have written. Think of the online world as you would publish a book and for that book then to be lodged in the library of congress. It's there for all time.

Wake up, get a clue and think before you hit the enter button. Same goes for users wanting to change their online username because they changed job or left University and they then think that what they have written will haunt them in their pursuit of a decent job. Might have been a good idea to think about that before you hit the enter button.


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Kel and Phil,

That's fine advice, but it's pretty clear that the main reason for considering a change to the editing rule would be to prevent another Aricgate type of event from happening again.

Curt


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On another site that I go, posts are editable only for the first hour.

You cannot unring a bell, but at least with an hour you can tune it if need be.


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I was told last night that Supertopo allows a week. I don't post there though, so I don't know if that is accurate.


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You should keep in mind that situations can all be dependant. There may be reasons for both sides.

Our founding fathers genius was to make it so that we could amend the rules when needed.

Any time here someone has tried to make a point for "this is the only way you can do something" it has been busted.

I suggest you find another solution. Maybe needing a admin or a MOD's approval to edit or delete.


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Leave the system alone. Let the community outcry serve as the guideline.

We're not building a complete repository of climbing information here, if we were, at some point you'd have to shut down the ability to post and only allow people to read.

This site is dynamic and will always be so. These people who bitch about posters not doing a search don't have a fukking clue. I want to hear from the people in the moment, not some dickwad from 6 years ago.

The crap you wrote 3 months ago might have some value, but if it's gone big fukking deal, I want to hear what people who are doing it right now think.


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rrrADAM wrote:
On another site that I go, posts are editable only for the first hour.

You cannot unring a bell, but at least with an hour you can tune it if need be.

This is what I prefer, too. In climbing, we are ultimately and immediately responsible for our decisions; it compels us to consider consequences before acting. I'd like forum posting to be similar, allowing for corrections of grammar, spelling, etc. This would, of course, preclude mods from asking users to self edit. Would the result be more active moderation? Probably. I'm okay with that.

Though I know it isn't feasible, I also wish all usernames were the poster's actual name (allowing for the use of an initial either for the first or last name, but not both).


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Interesting. So far, by a vote of 18-5, users prefer some sort of limit on editing.


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Only because the of the current politics going on at the moment.

I suspect you would have recieved a completely different response two weeks ago.


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I think it should be left the same, I think it promotes better discussion. We have many companies that might need the ability to edit something years down the road for copyright or legal reasons. There has also been lots of prototype discussions on RC.com I wouldn't post here if i thought about selling something and couldn't delete them later. I loved the lab stuff that was semi lost but really we are not that bad off with out it. I think changing the edit button will change the way people post and make the site fall even more.


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I voted yesterday but changed my mind - how do I edit my vote?


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summerprophet wrote:
Only because the of the current politics going on at the moment.

I suspect you would have recieved a completely different response two weeks ago.

Perhaps, but two weeks ago we didn't know how susceptible the integrity of an entire forum was to the malicious acts of a single individual.

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summerprophet wrote:
Only because the of the current politics going on at the moment.

I suspect you would have recieved a completely different response two weeks ago.

I suspect you're 100% correct, but to me, that makes the response all the more pertinent. I don't think this is an irrational response to recent events. Also, I view a limit on editing as a way to hold people responsible for what they write. It's a different issue entirely. Nevertheless...


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Information like this http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2373675#2373675 needs to be kept! How else will the noobs know?


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I think changing the edit button will change the way people post

That's the whole point.

I vote for limited editing. It's not perfect and won't please everyone one, but 2 possible benefits are would be preserving important content and holding people responsible for their content. I think those are pretty good reasons.

Josh


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Oh and sungam would say "screw you" to the mods who made him delete all of his "content".

http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2375417;page=unread#unread


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{ Currently wondering if I should start reviewing and deleting my posts before the priviledge is taken from me.}


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This discussion is all well and good, but does nothing to address the issue of subsequent posters quoting other people's posts, thus preserving the original content.

If deletion of posts became commonplace, then I suspect we would see a rise in the number of users quoting just as a precautionary measure. This happens to some degree already, particularly of late.


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I find it terribly ironic that moderators, of all people, would argue that posts can't be edited.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

The poster OWNS HER POST. Its her intellectual material and until you start paying her for copyrights, its REMAINS HER PROPERTY.

You have no business telling her what she can and cannot do with her post, including editing.

(but you have no problem editing the posts of others, do ya)

DMT


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dingus wrote:

The poster OWNS HER POST. Its her intellectual material and until you start paying her for copyrights, its REMAINS HER PROPERTY...

Dingus,

I realize that this is one of your "hot button" issues, but your absolutist view of the above is both factually and legally incorrect--as has been pointed out several times now.

Curt


(This post was edited by curt on Aug 19, 2010, 8:17 AM)


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Editing is weke.

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