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Poll: Should posts be editable after they are made and if so, for how long after?
No change should be made.  Users should be able to edit their posts for as long as they are members. 67 / 43%
Posts should never be editable.  Once they are made, they are permanent. 7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 year after they are made. 3 / 2%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 month after they are made.  7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 2 weeks after they are made. 7 / 5%
Posts should only be editable for up to 1 week after they are made. 25 / 16%
Posts should only be editable for up to 3 days after they are made. 39 / 25%
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Arrogant_Bastard


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rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to Franchise a PTFTW.


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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

someday you'll realize YOUR RONG and want to edit this.


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Aug 19, 2010, 1:14 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.


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Aug 19, 2010, 1:16 PM
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notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.

We're not a "crew", we're jerks. BET Jerks, try to get it right.


drivel


Aug 19, 2010, 1:27 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.

We're not a "crew", we're jerks. BET Jerks, try to get it right keep up.


Toast_in_the_Machine


Aug 19, 2010, 1:27 PM
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edge wrote:
This discussion is all well and good, but does nothing to address the issue of subsequent posters quoting other people's posts, thus preserving the original content.

If deletion of posts became commonplace, then I suspect we would see a rise in the number of users quoting just as a precautionary measure. This happens to some degree already, particularly of late.

I quoted this ao I can go back and later delete this post.

Has anyone here tried to do what Aric did? I did, just before I hit my first k post I went back and started deleting all of my posts. I got 40 or so into the count and gave up. Has anyone noticed? No, and it isn't because my posts are crap (they are), it is because no one looks at threads beyond the first page of a forum.

Leave it be. If someone makes an article - that should be locked. Posts are comments and can and should pass into history.


darkgift06


Aug 19, 2010, 1:28 PM
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curt wrote:
Clearly, there are issues with the current model. I now feel that posts should be editable for 48 to 72 hours to allow the poster to correct errors, add content, delete his post etc. That should be ample time for those purposes. After that, the post should be considered part of the RC.com archive.

Curt

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notapplicable


Aug 19, 2010, 1:57 PM
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Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.

We're not a "crew", we're jerks. BET Jerks, try to get it right.

Good point. And yet, I'm still officially changing my position on this whole deal.

I think an exemption for Scummunity is a good idea. I would be in favor of editability remaining unchanged in campground and the soapbox.


spikeddem


Aug 19, 2010, 2:01 PM
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Exactly WTF would such a policy fix? How often can we really expect a user that posts a ton of content to suddenly delete it all? Once in a decade? RC.com doesn't even HAVE a user that posts a ton of content!

Perhaps it is the responsibility of people relying on context that would be provided by an erased post to, well, PROVIDE that context by QUOTING the person(s) to whom they're responding in the first place!


jbone


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How about not allowing people to post till they have been a registered member for at least 3 months? Editing enabled at 1 year...

With this type of system a person would think twice before risking their posting status on a forum battle.

This or a more heavy handed MOD squad would make these types of discussions obsolete.


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Aug 19, 2010, 2:17 PM
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spikeddem wrote:
Exactly WTF would such a policy fix? How often can we really expect a user that posts a ton of content to suddenly delete it all? Once in a decade? RC.com doesn't even HAVE a user that posts a ton of content!

Perhaps it is the responsibility of people relying on context that would be provided by an erased post to, well, PROVIDE that context by QUOTING the person(s) to whom they're responding in the first place!

Quoted, just because.

But exactly the point. Let us say it was curt that decided to blow away all of his posts, would the site miss his 2002 recommendation of a sealy posturpedic for a bouldering pad? No.

This is a one off event No need to change the rules now. It won't bring the content back and won't encourage more to appear.


notapplicable


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notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.

We're not a "crew", we're jerks. BET Jerks, try to get it right.

Good point. And yet, I'm still officially changing my position on this whole deal.

I think an exemption for Scummunity is a good idea. I would be in favor of editability remaining unchanged in campground and the soapbox.

On second thought, just the campground should enable edits. Soapbox will be all the more intersting without.


johnwesely


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NoSoup4U wrote:
Absolutely no editing. Posts quality will increase. A side benefit will be the end of the stupid quoting and re-quoting of the original posts or thread answers.

Users need to think twice before hitting the reply or post button.

Delete the campground, soap box etc. Moderate agressively to delete any non-climbing posts.

Aren't you an expert.


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I´ve gone for editing for a week after to allow corrections/retractions/apologies to be made BUT the original post should always remain visible if only to keep the context. If you don´t want what you posted to be read later then don´t post.


curt


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
...Let us say it was curt that decided to blow away all of his posts, would the site miss his 2002 recommendation of a sealy posturpedic for a bouldering pad? No.

What? That may have been one of my better posts. Cool

Curt


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drivel wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
notapplicable wrote:
Arrogant_Bastard wrote:
rrrADAM wrote:
One thing...

Some keep stating a reason to allow editing is in case soemone realizes that they posted something that was wrong... If someone has already replied after the [wrong] post/reply, the best thing to do is quote yourself (wrong stuff), then address/correct it in a later post.

That doesn't help if you're trying to get a PTFTW.

Ha! Totally forgot about the BET crew when I created the poll.

I guess we can now account for at least half of the "edit for ever" votes.

We're not a "crew", we're jerks. BET Jerks, try to get it right keep up.


kerrect


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One of the "best" editing jobs I ever recall seeing here happened several years ago. The OP asked for stories about climbing gear that was irretrievably stuck and what was done to try and remove the gear before giving up.

After about three pages of serious replies, involving nut tools, hanging on ropes, lowering back down, etc., the OP edited the title of the thread to "Things You've Had Stuck In Your Anus." Obviously, this led to a substantial change in context and I think the thread was eventually nuked.

And no, I was not the OP. Cool

Curt


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
spikeddem wrote:
Exactly WTF would such a policy fix? How often can we really expect a user that posts a ton of content to suddenly delete it all? Once in a decade? RC.com doesn't even HAVE a user that posts a ton of content!

Perhaps it is the responsibility of people relying on context that would be provided by an erased post to, well, PROVIDE that context by QUOTING the person(s) to whom they're responding in the first place!

Quoted, just because.

But exactly the point. Let us say it was curt that decided to blow away all of his posts, would the site miss his 2002 recommendation of a sealy posturpedic for a bouldering pad? No.

This is a one off event No need to change the rules now. It won't bring the content back and won't encourage more to appear.

If anything, it would only discourage posting content. As I understand it, this is a reason Dingus doesn't post his stories here (online at all?).

Not to mention, none of what is being discussed would help with preserving images that are referenced in these posts. For example: the thread about two bolt anchors. I tried to read this thread at work, but my network wasn't a fan of the source of the images so I couldn't load them. The thread was utterly useless. The majority of posts that supposedly contain content--not that I'm saying they exist--rely on pictures or illustrations. Sittingduck could get pissed and leave and take his illustrations with him.


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Maybe allow the user to mark it as invalid but then just show an extra message at the beginning like this:

[drector marked this post as invalid on Aug-18-2010]

But show all of the content. "Invalid" seems to be a reasonable way to describe a post that a user no longer wishes to be viewed as truth, fact, or their current opinion. Things change and a person should at least be able to indicate that they changes their mind after-the-fact.

Maybe show the whole invalid post in strikeout text in the case of it being marked invalid.

Removing the content of a post can make an entire thread meaningless or confusing and allowing a single user the ability to make other peoples posts obfuscated does not seem fair.

Dave


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drector wrote:
Removing the content of a post can make an entire thread meaningless or confusing and allowing a single user the ability to make other peoples posts obfuscated does not seem fair.

Dave

The more things change, the more they stay the same! Laugh


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curt wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
...Let us say it was curt that decided to blow away all of his posts, would the site miss his 2002 recommendation of a sealy posturpedic for a bouldering pad? No.

What? That may have been one of my better posts. Cool

Curt

Not nearly as good as this one:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...i?post=240785#240785

Please don't delete that one.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
curt wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
...Let us say it was curt that decided to blow away all of his posts, would the site miss his 2002 recommendation of a sealy posturpedic for a bouldering pad? No.

What? That may have been one of my better posts. Cool

Curt

Not nearly as good as this one:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...i?post=240785#240785

Please don't delete that one.

Careful, Curt's old, if you cup his balls any harder they might bruise.


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dingus wrote:
I find it terribly ironic that moderators, of all people, would argue that posts can't be edited.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

The poster OWNS HER POST. Its her intellectual material and until you start paying her for copyrights, its REMAINS HER PROPERTY.

You have no business telling her what she can and cannot do with her post, including editing.

(but you have no problem editing the posts of others, do ya)

DMT

Actually Dingus, mods no longer have the ability to edit a post. Haven't been able to for a couple of years. I think it's a good thing. The only thing we can do is delete the post entirely (not a really good option and is never used), recycle it, and now hide it. But NEVER can we edit it. It's not even possible.


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climbs4fun wrote:
dingus wrote:
I find it terribly ironic that moderators, of all people, would argue that posts can't be edited.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

The poster OWNS HER POST. Its her intellectual material and until you start paying her for copyrights, its REMAINS HER PROPERTY.

You have no business telling her what she can and cannot do with her post, including editing.

(but you have no problem editing the posts of others, do ya)

DMT

Actually Dingus, mods no longer have the ability to edit a post. Haven't been able to for a couple of years. I think it's a good thing. The only thing we can do is delete the post entirely (not a really good option and is never used), recycle it, and now hide it. But NEVER can we edit it. It's not even possible.

They told you that? And you believed them?


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drector wrote:
Maybe allow the user to mark it as invalid but then just show an extra message at the beginning like this:

[drector marked this post as invalid on Aug-18-2010]

But show all of the content. "Invalid" seems to be a reasonable way to describe a post that a user no longer wishes to be viewed as truth, fact, or their current opinion. Things change and a person should at least be able to indicate that they changes their mind after-the-fact.

Maybe show the whole invalid post in strikeout text in the case of it being marked invalid.

Removing the content of a post can make an entire thread meaningless or confusing and allowing a single user the ability to make other peoples posts obfuscated does not seem fair.

Dave

Agreed. There should be some way to rescind a post, but it should not involve deleting it.

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