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spikeddem
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Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber.
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j_ung
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Climbing shoes and a chalkbag?! A mask and a cape are what she needs!
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bill413
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Ummm....being willing to touch spiders & snakes. Not feeling fear while watching "Blair Witch Project." Clear indications of fearlessness. 
I realize that medical & life history indicate an inability to feel fear - but those examples are trite.
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blueeyedclimber
Dec 19, 2010, 9:02 PM
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spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber.
This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber.
Josh
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spikeddem
Dec 20, 2010, 1:43 AM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh
No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple.
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blueeyedclimber
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spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple.
Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true 
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wonderwoman
Dec 20, 2010, 2:44 AM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true
It doesn't sound like either of you have bothered to read the book. But carry on with the smack talk about the book you never read. Blah blah blah.... 
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blueeyedclimber
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wonderwoman wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true It doesn't sound like either of you have bothered to read the book. But carry on with the smack talk about the book you never read. Blah blah blah....
Sorry. I didn't mean to offend his #1 disciple. 
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j_ung
Dec 20, 2010, 12:49 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true
I don't know if Arno says exactly that, but I really have to agree with Spikey. While yeah, healthy fear probably keeps us from getting in over our heads, once committed, IMO every ounce of it is detrimental to good climbing. For most of us, this sport is all upstairs.
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billl7
Dec 20, 2010, 1:52 PM
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j_ung wrote: I don't know if Arno says exactly that, but I really have to agree with Spikey. While yeah, healthy fear probably keeps us from getting in over our heads, once committed, IMO every ounce of it is detrimental to good climbing. For most of us, this sport is all upstairs.
Not sure Josh is saying anything different.
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spikeddem
Dec 20, 2010, 3:18 PM
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wonderwoman wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true It doesn't sound like either of you have bothered to read the book. But carry on with the smack talk about the book you never read. Blah blah blah....
I've read it cover to cover twice. I really don't think I'm missing anything. I even went to one of Arno's talks at a local gym.
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So first they say she's fearless... then they say she rated 2 out of 10 on a fear scale... I would say a 0 would be fearless.
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spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple.
You climber better for a while, but you'll die sooner rather than later. I can't comment on Arno's book (Rock Warrior's Way) since I never read it. I've tried a couple of times but after a few pages have literally dozed off. I can't comment on the quality of the book, since I find anything I've ever read in that "mind control" genre egregiously dull.
Gratias et valete bene!
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spikeddem
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robdotcalm wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. You climber better for a while, but you'll die sooner rather than later. I can't comment on Arno's book ( Rock Warrior's Way) since I never read it. I've tried a couple of times but after a few pages have literally dozed off. I can't comment on the quality of the book, since I find anything I've ever read in that "mind control" genre egregiously dull. Gratias et valete bene! RobertusPunctumPacificus
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curt
Dec 20, 2010, 6:40 PM
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spikeddem wrote: robdotcalm wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. You climber better for a while, but you'll die sooner rather than later. I can't comment on Arno's book ( Rock Warrior's Way) since I never read it. I've tried a couple of times but after a few pages have literally dozed off. I can't comment on the quality of the book, since I find anything I've ever read in that "mind control" genre egregiously dull. Gratias et valete bene! RobertusPunctumPacificus If you read the book, you'd see that your first sentence is wrong.
I can (but won't, out of respect) list a number of truly world class climbers who are dead today only because they did not have a healthy respect (fear) for the situations they regularly put themselves into. There are threads about several of these people right here on RC.com.
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notapplicable
Dec 20, 2010, 6:40 PM
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spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber.
...and only shoes and a chalk bag.
You remember the few minutes during Alex Honnold's solo of Half Dome when he has a mini-freakout? Can you imagine what he could do if he was born with her condition!
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spikeddem
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notapplicable wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. ...and only shoes and a chalk bag. You remember the few minutes during Alex Honnold's solo of Half Dome when he has a mini-freakout? Can you imagine what he could do if he was born with her condition!
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wonderwoman
Dec 20, 2010, 7:41 PM
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spikeddem wrote: wonderwoman wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Not being afraid automatically means youre a good climber. This is false. Fear actually keeps us alive. Having no fear would not be a good thing. The ability to CONTROL that fear is what is helpful to a climber. Josh No. Maybe you should read The Warrior's Way. It's all about learning to look past fear and just "get over it." If you can block out all the fear, then you'll climb better. It's simple. Oh yeah, I forgot. If Arno says it, it must be true It doesn't sound like either of you have bothered to read the book. But carry on with the smack talk about the book you never read. Blah blah blah.... I've read it cover to cover twice. I really don't think I'm missing anything. I even went to one of Arno's talks at a local gym.
I've also read the RWW twice (and have the audio book), Espresso Lessons once, taken his class and volunteered with two of his clinics with Sterling rope. (So, sadly, maybe Josh is right in calling me a disciple. Guilty as charged - I am a shameless fan!)
What I got from his lessons is that it is helpful to learn from your fear, rather than ignore it. You need to be able to recognize a real dangerous situation and act accordingly. If you ignore your fear, you will not stop to do that.
Here is a good piece that Arno himself wrote in the RWW forum:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=1579282#1579282
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blueeyedclimber
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wonderwoman wrote: What I got from his lessons is that it is helpful to learn from your fear, rather than ignore it. You need to be able to recognize a real dangerous situation and act accordingly. If you ignore your fear, you will not stop to do that.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Fear is different then panic. Panic is bad. Fear is good. I don't believe that Arno ever says to ignore your fear. I'm with Rob in the dozing off group who couldn't get through the first chapter. That doesn't mean it's a bad book, it just means it wasn't for me.
What I believe Arno says, or at least I say, is that you must recognize your fear, make an informed decision from it and move on. That moving on part may be to back off, depending on what your fear tells you. Someone who just pushes on, ignoring their fear (or worse, lack of fear), no matter what the situation, is stupid IMO.
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wonderwoman
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blueeyedclimber wrote: I'm with Rob in the dozing off group who couldn't get through the first chapter. That doesn't mean it's a bad book, it just means it wasn't for me.
To be honest with you, I found the first chapter to be a turn off. I can't exactly say why, but the gems are in the rest of the book. Maybe it hit too close to home for me or something.
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spikeddem
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Some people just overcomplicate everything when they read. Don't look into the text so hard for something that isn't there.
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wonderwoman
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spikeddem wrote: Some people just overcomplicate everything when they read. Don't look into the text so hard for something that isn't there.
If you say so.
Or maybe it's your reading comprehension. Just sayin'.
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blueeyedclimber
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spikeddem wrote: Some people just overcomplicate everything when they read. Don't look into the text so hard for something that isn't there.
You said the girl would be a good climber because she doesn't feel fear. I, and others, have said that is not true, and would eventually catch up to her. Who's looking into anything?
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spikeddem
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blueeyedclimber wrote: spikeddem wrote: Some people just overcomplicate everything when they read. Don't look into the text so hard for something that isn't there. You said the girl would be a good climber because she doesn't feel fear. I, and others, have said that is not true, and would eventually catch up to her. Who's looking into anything? Josh
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