Oh, really? Because John just sent it yesterday. Over his head? I don't think so. Great job John!

Have you thought about shacking up with some horny old lady? She'll give you pocket money, and the amount of time spent in bed probably won't seriously interfere with your climbing habit. Try the Uberfall during the spring and fall - they're everywhere.

Ok so all being an asshole aside, the green is a fuckin hard route. I've sent the green there (I find their ratings to be a little soft though. A lot of other gyms rate much harder, I can climb 5.13 at Miramont but only 5.12 other gyms). Those last two moves are tough, but IMO not as tough as the start. The only reason they probably seem tougher is, well, they're the last two moves. But for someone with a strength in crimps, you should send it pretty soon.

My LEAST favorite route at miramont isn't even a lead route. It's a top rope route on the far right side of the wall on a slab. It has a green 5.11, a blue 5.10 and either a purple or a red 5.8, I can't remember. The route is the 5.10, called "Get Some". It was easy, but for someone tall like me all the stemming with lots of hand/feet matching was killing my body. There's also a new 5.12- to the right of those routes that I got to do the "indoor first ascent" of. That's my new favorite route. It starts off slab, then overhang, then slab again.

There's a 5.11- (don't remember color) that's on the same wall as the 5.9 red colored lead test, the wall with the ceiling 5 feet off the ground. I still haven't been able to send that one. I think I've gotten halfway at the most. It blows my mind how I can climb a 5.13- route there but I can't send a relatively simple 5.11-. Then again, I've never tried it earlier in the day, I've always jumped on it right before I leave and I'm dead in my arms.

Some serious advice, find another gym to climb at if you really want to rate yourself. You said before Miramont is one of the toughest rated gyms. That may be true for boulder problems there (which they actually made a little softer recently due to some recent events) but for rope climbing the ratings are soft. Take the five minute car ride to CSU's climbing wall, they like to sandbag their routes. Plus, that boulder outside....pretty damn fun.

The green route is over his head.

aren't all routes until you've made it to the top?

You should write a guidebook for the place. Seriously.

Haha if only outside you could go and see little tape markings below each route telling you the grade, I would have the same enthusiasm about describing the routes. But when i try to describe outside routes to people, it comes out as "well...there was the rock....it was a 5.whatever....i climbed it.....yeah, that's what happened."

In a lotta places they do. It's called chalked up holds and tick marks.

Chalk - the scourge of the onsight climber!

In europe it IS actually reasonably common to have names or ratings at the bottom of the climb written on the rock quite convenient actually.

Thanks for the encouragement Austin. I spent twelve hours at the gym yesterday, and I finally sent the route! It was a monumental effort. I must have given it twenty burns yesterday. At closing time, I was dead tired and about to just give up, but I remembered your words of encouragement and decided to give it one more go. This time, everything clicked. I cruised the technical crux and managed my way through the red point crux. At the top, I had a foot slip and nearly fell, but I knew this was my only shot. I held on with all of my strength and campused the last move.With my last remaining ounce of strength, I clipped the chains.

Here is a picture of the route. I am sorry it is so poor, but the lighting is bad in the gym. The route is the green one that goes up the prow in the middle of the photo. For what its worth, it is rated 13c.

Thanks for the encouragement Austin. Your enthusiasm and determination is an inspiration to us all.

John, you're a fucking beast! Your words alone paint a flawless picture of this amazing ascent. How were the conditions? I'd assume that Georgia is starting to cool off, have they even turned on the heater yet? I hate when I have to wear a sweatshirt in the gym, too much weight ya know, and sometimes they get stuck in the autobelays when I'm going for the best moves. Plus when my hands get cold, well, don't even get me started.

The heater was on full blast, making for some rather manky conditions, but I pushed through it and made an incredible ascent.

Really?? That's very interesting. I guess that's kind of a cool way to do it but that's strange that's actually how it's done in Europe. Maybe one of these days I'll have to take a trip to Europe and see it for myself...

I know, right?! I know exactly what you mean. Haha what if someone actually did tape each route or problem outdoors...? Wow, that would be a sight...

At the Gunks, we have Voice Recognition software to help people who lack orienteering skills identify the routes.

You don't believe me? Try it next time you're up there. Just yell out "What route is this?" anywhere in the Trapps and shortly a voice will provide the information. While not ALL the routes have this feature, the popular TR Cluster spots sure do....

who is trolling who here? ... im confused

It's some sort of Rube Goldberg troll. If we're lucky, it will consume and destroy the whole website, setting us all free.

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